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Still Figuring It Out

Still Figuring It Out

By: Emily and Marc Pitman
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Welcome to the our podcast! We, Marc and Emily Pitman are excited to invite you to join us as we explore leadership, life-together, and still figuring it out even after 30 years!2025 Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Relationships Social Sciences
Episodes
  • SFIO 415 - Stop Studying What You Already Know with Caleb Pitman
    Jul 8 2026

    📋 Episode Summary

    Emily and Marc welcome their son Caleb Pitman—an improvising musician, trumpet player, composer, and graduate student at NYU—for a conversation about music, identity, influence, and developing a voice of your own.

    Caleb explains why he often prefers the term Black American music to "jazz," honoring the people and traditions that created the musical language he is learning to speak. He describes improvisation not as randomness, but as a deeply structured, evolving language built from history, shared references, individual choices, and careful listening.

    The conversation expands beyond music into a larger question: What happens when we stop diluting ourselves to make our work acceptable to everyone? Caleb, Emily, and Marc explore the freedom of knowing who you are not for, choosing your influences intentionally, pursuing what you do not yet understand, and allowing excellence, passion, and love to invite others into curiosity.

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Calling something by its fuller name can honor the people, history, and intellectual tradition that created it.

    • Improvisation is not random. It happens within a framework shaped by language, history, rhythm, harmony, and relationship.

    • Developing a distinct voice requires both active influence and active exclusion.

    • Making work more "accessible" can sometimes become an excuse for diluting its honesty, complexity, or excellence.

    • It can be freeing to identify who your work is not for instead of trying to appeal to everyone.

    • Passion and deep understanding can invite people into curiosity without requiring the work to be simplified.

    • The areas that confuse or intimidate us may be the most valuable places to study next.

    🗣 Quote Highlights

    "I'm still trying to speak 'composer' into existence, but I say it because I do it." – Caleb

    "The creators of the musical stew that I'm contributing to—the people who first put the stock down—are Black Americans." – Caleb

    "There's something really cool about not diluting who you are or what you do." – Caleb

    "Just make it honest and authentic in what you want." – Caleb

    "You're composing a frame of reference. Here are the puzzle pieces—improvise within this musical context." – Caleb

    "Excellence and love invite people to be curious." – Emily

    "Stop transcribing stuff you understand." – Caleb

    "I'm still figuring out my voice, which is something everyone has to do." – Caleb

    🧰 Tools & Mentions - And Artists

    • Caleb Pitman — improvising musician, trumpeter, and composer completing graduate studies at NYU

    • Black American music

    • Mark Turner

    • Keith Jarrett's American Quartet and European Quartet

    • J.S. Bach's Inventions

    • Artfield Log — Caleb's note-taking practice for capturing reflections after concerts and focused listening

    👥 Who Should Listen

    • Musicians, artists, and creators developing a voice of their own

    • People thinking about how language can either honor or obscure the origins of an art form

    • Anyone tempted to dilute meaningful work to make it acceptable to everyone

    • Coaches, speakers, and entrepreneurs deciding who they are—and are not—best suited to serve

    • Parents who enjoy hearing their adult children explain the depth of their work

    • Curious listeners who want to understand improvisation as a disciplined language rather than random expression

    🎺 That Music!

    Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music.
    Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar
    Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet
    Zoe Czarnecki – bass

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    34 mins
  • SFIO 414 - Living in Flux
    Jul 1 2026

    📋 Episode Summary

    In their 50th episode, Emily and Marc continue exploring transitions with the word "flux"—the act of flowing, a state of ongoing change, and even a substance that prepares surfaces to form a stronger connection.

    The conversation begins with a transition hiding in plain sight. For the first autumn in nearly five decades, Emily will have no direct connection to a school calendar. With their children finished with formal education, she and Marc wonder what freedom from that long-standing rhythm might make possible—and how a change can contain both grief and rebirth without requiring a cheerful silver lining.

    From lava lamps and flowing streams to travel pauses, hometown longing, and the possibility of carrying "settled" within you, Emily and Marc consider whether they have become so accustomed to transition that stability feels unfamiliar. Maybe being settled has less to do with staying in one place and more to do with carrying your center of gravity wherever you go.

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Some transitions only become visible when we step back from the immediate event and notice the larger story arc.

    • A change can contain both grief and rebirth. Recognizing new possibilities does not require covering pain with a bright, reassuring sticker.

    • Flux is not disintegration. Something can remain connected while continuing to move and change shape.

    • Curiosity can help us engage with changes in our inner and outer lives rather than insisting that everything remain fixed.

    • A temporary pause can create calm and spaciousness without becoming a permanent restriction.

    • Being settled may not require a hometown, one location, or an absence of movement.

    • Sometimes we pursue a version of belonging that does not fit the life we were actually given.

    🗣 Quote Highlights

    "This is going to be my first autumn with no direct link into the education calendar." – Emily

    "Is this a death and dying, or is this a rebirth?" – Emily

    "Being able to grab for that sense of rebirth, even in the grieving, opens us up to embracing the challenges and the experiences that are coming." – Emily

    "I think it's important that we do experience the grieving, even as a guy that always wants to see the silver lining." – Marc

    "Flux is the act of flowing—the continuous moving on." – Emily

    "There's still bonds and connection. It's just moving." – Marc

    "I know people who have settled that still move. They carry their settled with them." – Marc

    🧰 Tools & Mentions

    • WordHippo https://wordhippo.com/

    • Libby https://libbyapp.com/

    • Familia by Lauren E. Rico

    • Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi

    • Inner Work by Robert A. Johnson

    👥 Who Should Listen

    • Parents adjusting to life after their children finish school or leave home

    • People whose lives have long been structured around academic calendars

    • Anyone holding grief and new possibility at the same time

    • Frequent travelers or highly mobile people wondering what it means to feel settled

    • Listeners who find change energizing but are less certain how stability might fit them

    • People questioning whether the version of belonging they have pursued is actually theirs

    🎺 That Music!

    Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music.
    Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar
    Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet
    Zoe Czarnecki – bass

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    22 mins
  • SFIO 413 - Ready, Fire, Recalibrate
    Jun 24 2026

    📋 Episode Summary

    In this episode, Emily and Marc continue their exploration of transitions with the word "recalibrate." What begins with the satisfying shape of the word—and the equally satisfying factors of the number 24—opens into a conversation about pausing, gathering feedback, and noticing whether the direction they chose still fits.

    They reflect on Scrum, coaching, marriage, work, values, productivity, and the difference between filling every available hour and recognizing when enough has been done. Recalibration does not always require a dramatic life change. Sometimes it is a small adjustment: listening more carefully, taking an unexpected trip to a state park, or asking whether the standard we are using was ever realistic in the first place.

    The conversation lands on alignment—the inner gyroscope that helps us remain upright while life shifts around us. Recalibrating means staying willing to learn, adjust, and give ourselves permission to move our energy somewhere else.

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Recalibration begins with feedback: new information that helps us see whether the original direction still fits.

    • Pausing to reassess is not the opposite of progress. It can keep us from climbing quickly toward the wrong destination.

    • Recalibration can happen at both the macro level—moving, changing work, reshaping a marriage—and the micro level of checking in during an ordinary day.

    • Productivity is not always measured by how many available hours we fill.

    • Standards we have never clearly named may be unreasonable, impossible, or inherited from someone else.

    • A "definition of done" can be enough for the next step without pretending the larger work is finished.

    • Alignment with values can function like an inner gyroscope when circumstances and outside expectations keep shifting.

    🗣 Quote Highlights

    "Recalibrate seems hopeful." – Marc

    "To me, recalibration starts with data. We have feedback." – Emily

    "I love the idea of having data that says, 'I can do this better.'" – Emily

    "I received an invitation to dwell in the reset in a way that may not feel so comfortable." – Marc

    "The workday is an hour amount of time, not a project amount of time." – Emily

    "We have this standard that we're holding ourselves to that we haven't taken the time to spell out—because if we did, we'd know it's totally unreasonable." – Marc

    "I guess a word that goes with recalibrate for me is alignment." – Emily

    "Yes, I have open tasks left, and I have done enough." – Marc

    🧰 Tools & Mentions

    • Familia by Lauren E. Rico

    • Libby https://libbyapp.com/

    • Scrum

    • International Coaching Federation Core Competencies https://coachingfederation.org/credentials-and-standards/core-competencies

    • Stephen Covey's "ladder against the wrong wall" metaphor

    👥 Who Should Listen

    • Self-employed people and high achievers who struggle to decide when the workday is done

    • Leaders and teams who need space to evaluate what is working before rushing forward

    • Couples reconsidering how their routines reflect their shared values

    • Coaches and reflective listeners interested in alignment, active listening, and meaningful pauses

    • Anyone wondering whether they need a dramatic change or simply a thoughtful adjustment

    🎺 That Music!

    Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music.
    Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar
    Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet
    Zoe Czarnecki – bass

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    20 mins
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