How do you go from 0 to 300+ cases in just 26 months? Break the rules! In this episode of the Grow Law Podcast, Sasha Berson sits down with Lee Rudin, founder of Rudin Law and creator of the “Get Rude” brand. Lee breaks down why referrals alone are risky, why you should invest at least ~10K in ads to see results, and (yes!) his #1 trick to LOWER client acquisition costs. Lee also shares a story about how being called an “ambulance chaser” made him create one of his BEST social media campaigns ever. Tune in now.

📰 About Lee Rudin:

Lee Rudin is the founder of Rudin Law and the force behind the bold “Get Rude” brand. Based in New Orleans, he grew from 0 to 300+ cases in 26 months by moving away from traditional SEO and PPC-heavy strategies and going hard on bold branding and social media. Known for his unconventional approach, Lee helps clients fight back, and shows lawyers how to ditch “spray and pray” marketing and build a unique brand that brings in cases.

👉 Sasha and Lee explore:

— Why it’s not worth investing in paid ads unless you can commit ~$10K/month.

— How being called an “ambulance chaser” turned into one of Lee’s BEST marketing campaigns.

— How Lee went from 15 to 30+ cases a month with bold social media content.

— Why referrals are RISKY and what you need instead to build a predictable, scalable case flow.

— How branding (i.e., showing your face and message over and over) lowers your cost per case over time.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Before hiring a PPC vendor, write this down: cost per case, monthly budget, and expected return. Then ask your agency: “Can this realistically work within my budget?” If the answer is vague, proceed with caution.

— Choose one (social, PPC, referrals) and commit. If it’s social: post consistently and don’t worry about being too professional.

— Take a common criticism or stereotype in your industry and flip it into content (like Lee’s “ambulance chaser” video). Don’t play it safe.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Lee Rudin:

• Website: https://www.getrude.com/lee-rudin/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leerudin

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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This is the kind of growth 99% of law firms only dream of! In this episode, Sasha Berson chats with Josh Schmerling, co-founder of LawPro.ai. His impressive AI tool helped take his firm from 200 to 1,000+ active cases! It also cuts time on desk by 20–30% and uncovers tiny “nuggets” in medical records (sometimes one sentence) that can dramatically increase case value! You’ll hear how his team stopped doing low-value work (like reading records all day) and started calling clients more and stacking those referrals. This episode will change the game. Tune in now.

📰 About Josh Schmerling:

Josh Schmerling is a partner at Zirkin & Schmerling, and the Co-founder of LawPro.ai. He’s recovered tens of millions for clients and scaled his firm from just 200 to 1,000+ active cases. Named a Super Lawyer and National Trial Lawyers Top 40 Under 40, Josh brings serious courtroom credibility and sharp business insight. Today, he helps PI firms use AI to move cases faster, increase value, and grow smarter.

👉 Sasha and Josh explore:

— The #1 AI tool to spot “hidden nuggets” in medical records (one missed sentence can significantly affect case value).

— How to cut time on desk by 20–30%, and use that time to call clients more.

— The brilliant move to unlock an ENORMOUS number of referrals without increasing marketing spend.

— The before/after: going from ~200 active cases to 1,000+ without proportional cost increases.

— Why relying on co-counsel can drain ~40% of your profits (and what to do instead).

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Inquire about LawPro.ai today and test if it can help you reduce case handling time and uncover hidden value in your files faster.

— Reassign one team member from admin work to client communication (calls, updates) and track referral changes over 60 days.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Josh Schmerling:

• Website: https://www.lawpro.ai/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-schmerling-287489ab/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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You’re making some HUGE client relationship mistakes… and losing referrals! In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with highly acclaimed speaker Barb Betts, who has 23+ years in business and leadership. After building a 7-figure business with zero ads, Barb shares simple, repeatable systems to drive consistent introductions. She also explains why *EVERYONE* in your firm (even your receptionist!) is in sales and how to train them to close deals. Tired of stressing about business? Tune in now.

📰 About Barb Betts:

Barb Betts is a human connection expert, keynote speaker, and CEO with 23+ years of experience in business. She built a 7-figure business with zero ads or cold outreach… just authentic, trust-based connections. As the author of The Relationship Advantage and speaker for brands like Fidelity and LVMH, Barb teaches leaders how to generate referrals, grow faster, and build influence through genuine human connection.

👉 Sasha and Barb explore:

— The 5x5 rule: Send 5 daily messages to 5 of your best clients.

— A brilliant (non-awkward) way to connect with old contacts

— How even 3 referral partners can produce ~40 cases/year

— Why everyone in your firm (even your receptionist) is in sales

— Why Facebook is the easiest place to find the best “referring type people”

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Reach out to 5 referral partners daily (use Barb’s 5x5 rule) to stay top of mind

— Post this on Facebook: “Planning a trip to [destination] — any recommendations?” The people who respond are “referring type people” even for attorneys!

— Train your team to spot key moments in clients’ lives (loss, wins, milestones) and respond with thoughtful gestures immediately

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Barb Betts:

• Website: https://barbbetts.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbbetts/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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