Episode 211 with Tory Berry & Chele Morony

“People say DBT is for borderline personality disorder. I’m like, what are you talking about? DBT is for everyone. One of the most common refrains that we hear in the group is ‘Where has this been? I needed this in high school!’”

This episode combines two of my favorite topics: ADHD coaching and Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT)!

Tory and Chele are a mother-daughter duo from Southern California who have created something really special in the neurodivergent support space.

Tory is the founder of ADHD Works Now, and she is also one of our amazing ADHD coaches at Women & ADHD.

Tory was diagnosed with both ADHD and autism in adulthood, and she’s channeled her own lived experience into helping other neurodivergent adults through 1-on-1 coaching and specially adapted DBT groups.

Chele is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 35 years of experience. She is also Tory’s business partner, bringing a clinical perspective to their work together.

We talk about Tory’s adult diagnosis and how Chele missed her ADHD and autism in childhood, despite her own clinical training.

We also talk about the fundamentals of DBT, and how the focus on validation, acceptance, and practical skill development makes it particularly powerful for neurodivergent clients who've spent years asking, “What’s wrong with me?” And Tory & Chele share about their collaborative group approach and how they’re making DBT skills applicable to the neurodivergent experience.

Tory & Chele’s DBT groups fill up quickly. The June cohort is already full, but you can sign up at the link below for the next cohort waitlist.

Key topics discussed:

• Tori's journey from adult ADHD/autism diagnosis to becoming an ADHD coach
• The missed signs of ADHD in girls and women
• How DBT skills can be adapted for neurodivergent brains
• The importance of validation vs. invalidating environments
• Masking vs. authenticity — when and how to be "legible”
• The intersection of coaching and therapy
• Running neurodivergent-friendly DBT groups

Website: adhdworksnow.com

Links & Resources:

• womenandadhd.com/tory
• DBT skills group waitlist

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Episode edited by E Podcast Productions

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Episode 210 with Dani Donovan

“I either get 30 minutes worth of work done in 8 hours or 8 hours worth of work done in 30 minutes — those are the only two options.”

Dani is an ADHD content creator, speaker, and the celebrated author of “The Anti-Planner: How to Get Sh*t Done When You Don't Feel Like It.”

Dani became an overnight sensation when a flowchart she drew mapping out her winding, ADHD storytelling style went viral on Twitter. Since then, she has built a massive community by bringing radical vulnerability, humor, and data visualization to the neurodivergent experience. She’s spoken at major companies like Microsoft, Amazon, and Adobe, and she is the founder of The Anti-Boring Project.

We dive deep into misconceptions about ADHD, including being told you are “too smart to have ADHD.” Dani shares her story of growing up with teachers who dismissed her mother's ADHD inquiries because she was getting good grades.

We also explore the magic behind visual storytelling for ADHD brains, why traditional productivity systems tend to fail us, and how the “Anti-Planner” organizes strategies based on your current emotional resistance — such as feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or unmotivated.

Plus, Dani shares some exclusive details about an exciting new app she is prototyping!

Key topics discussed:

• How teachers dismissed her ADHD symptoms because she was "too smart"
• The therapist who recognized Dani’s ADHD through her communication style
• Growing up questioning authority and fighting unfairness
• Why ADHD brains connect with infographics and memes
• How a workplace joke became a career-defining moment
• Finding people with matching scars and shared experiences
• The Anti-Planner origins: From business field guide to revolutionary productivity system
• The five categories of executive dysfunction (stuck, overwhelmed, unmotivated, disorganized, discouraged)
• Perfectionism vs. Experimentation: Permission to keep quitting and trying new approaches
• Exclusive preview of Dani’s upcoming ADHD productivity app

Website: anti-planner.com

Instagram: @danidonovan

Tiktok: @danidonovan

Links & Resources:

The Anti-Planner: How to Get Sh*t Done When You Don't Feel Like It

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Episode edited by E Podcast Productions

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Women & ADHD coaching: www.womenandadhd.com/coaching

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Work 1-on-1 with Katy: www.womenandadhd.com/katy

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Order the “Hey, it’s ADHD!” course: www.womenandadhd.com/adhdcourse

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Episode 209 with Jenna Free

“I think the biggest issue is with the current ADHD narrative. People are confusing ‘fight or flight’ and ADHD; they're putting it in a bundle and calling it ADHD. Then people believe, ‘Well, this is how hard it needs to be.’”

Jenna is a therapist living in Calgary, Alberta, who not only specializes in ADHD but also has ADHD herself.

Jenna was diagnosed with ADHD at 32 while in grad school with two young children – so yes, she gets the overwhelm. But instead of accepting the standard narrative that ADHD women are just destined to live in a constant state of frantic energy followed by crashes, she started asking a different question: What if the struggle isn't actually inevitable? What if what we're calling "ADHD symptoms" are actually signs of a nervous system stuck in chronic fight-or-flight?

In this episode, we'll dive into Jenna's journey, her insights on ADHD regulation, and how she helps others through her ADHD regulation groups and certification program. We also chat about her brand new book, “The Simple Guide to ADHD Regulation: The Secret to Finding Balance, Getting Things Done, and Enjoying Your Life.”

Key topics discussed:

• The difference between ADHD traits and fight-or-flight responses
• Internal vs. external regulation strategies
• Why overwhelm is actually a cognitive distortion and sign of dysregulation
• The role of belief work in nervous system regulation
• How regulation can actually increase productivity and capacity
• The power of group work for ADHD healing
• Challenging the narrative that ADHD struggle is inevitable

Website: jennafree.com

Instagram: @adhdwithjennafree

Links & Resources:

Jenna’s book: The Simple Guide to ADHD Regulation: The Secret to Finding Balance, Getting Things Done, and Enjoying Your Life

Jenna’s podcast: ADHD with Jenna Free

Dr. Anita Johnston's The Log

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Episode edited by E Podcast Productions

Find the transcript of this episode at www.womenandadhd.com/transcripts

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Women & ADHD coaching: www.womenandadhd.com/coaching

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Work 1-on-1 with Katy: www.womenandadhd.com/katy

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Order the “Hey, it’s ADHD!” course: www.womenandadhd.com/adhdcourse

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Twitter: @womenandadhd

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