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Wit + Grit

Wit + Grit

By: PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson
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We’re PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson - two dads, two mates, who’ve spent our lives working across business, law, education, charity, and media. Between us, we've made a lot of mistakes, asked a lot of questions, and raised kids who are about to walk into a world of work that’s nothing like the one we grew up in. That’s why we started Wit + Grit - a space for real, human conversations about what it takes to thrive in a world full of AI, constant pressure, and curated perfection. This podcast is about the skills you can’t Google. Things like confidence, resilience, emotional intelligence, how to fail well, how to bounce back, how to speak up, and how to listen. We’re not here to give perfect advice. We’re here to ask better questions. How do we prepare our kids for jobs that don’t exist yet? How do we connect generations in a divided, digital world? What makes someone truly employable in 2025 and beyond? Each episode, we’ll chat with educators, grads, parents, leaders, misfits, mentors, and all-round brilliant people who’ve lived through the stuff that doesn’t come with a textbook. If you’re a parent, a young person starting out, an old-head or experienced leader, or just someone trying to figure out how to be more human in a world full of noise - this one’s for you. Follow us, subscribe, and let’s have the conversations that matter - with a bit of humour, a lot of honesty, and absolutely no corporate jargon. You can connect with us at: https://www.linkedin.com/company/107731497/ LinkedIn: PJ Ellis & Andy Dawson Let’s get into it.Copyright 2026 PJ Ellis and Andy Dawson Career Success Economics Relationships Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Every Kid Is a Natural Red Teamer: Marcus Dimbleby on Critical Thinking and Leadership
    Apr 13 2026

    In Episode 32 of Wit + Grit, we are joined by Marcus Dimbleby - former Royal Air Force aerospace battle manager turned leadership and critical thinking specialist.

    From the military to major corporate transformation, Marcus shares what he’s learned about leadership, human behaviour and why so many organisations are still getting it wrong.

    This is a wide-ranging conversation covering disengaged workforces, the dangers of promoting people without training them, why young talent is leaving organisations so quickly, and how leaders can unlock the capability already sitting inside their teams.

    Marcus also breaks down critical thinking, red teaming, adaptive leadership, shadow boards, and why AI is only useful when paired with human judgement.

    There’s loads here for leaders, parents and anyone thinking about how we prepare the next generation for a world that’s moving fast.

    Key takeaways

    • Most leaders are promoted without being trained to lead.

    • Only 21% of the workforce is engaged.

    • Leaders don’t need to do it all themselves.

    • Slow down to speed up.

    • Critical thinking is not automatic — it has to be deliberately applied.

    • Every kid is a natural red teamer until the system squeezes it out of them.

    • Diversity of thought is the diversity that unlocks performance.

    • Young talent leaves when you recruit them for fresh thinking but don’t let them use it.

    • A group of high performers is not automatically a team.

    • Shadow boards are one of the smartest ways to bridge generations.

    • AI is a tool, not the answer.

    • The real future is AI plus collective intelligence.

    • What got you here won’t keep you here.

    Keywords

    Marcus Dimbleby, leadership, critical thinking, red teaming, adaptive leadership, workforce engagement, Gen Z, parenting, AI, collective intelligence, shadow boards, team dynamics, military leadership, Royal Air Force, aerospace battle manager, business transformation, disengaged employees, innovation, future of work, human skills, opportunity, Wit and Grit podcast

    Chapters List

    00:00 Introduction to Marcus Dimbleby

    02:45 Leadership Challenges in the Modern Workplace

    05:16 The Importance of Critical Thinking

    08:21 Red Teaming and Its Applications

    11:33 The Role of Parents in Fostering Critical Thinking

    14:24 The Disconnect Between Leadership and Talent

    17:14 Navigating Change in Organizations

    20:18 The Need for Adaptive Leadership

    23:09 Understanding the Real Problems in Organizations

    31:59 Unveiling Leadership Challenges

    34:20 The Importance of Tailored Solutions

    36:31 The Role of Shadow Boards in Leadership

    37:21 Navigating Military Insights and Youth Engagement

    46:07 The Impact of AI on Leadership

    53:44 Advice for the Next Generation

    01:01:50 outro1.mp3

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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • James Cary Says: Pitch It Like You’ve Already Seen It
    Mar 30 2026

    In Episode 31 of Wit + Grit, we are joined by BBC comedy writer James Cary - the man behind episodes of Miranda, Citizen Khan, My Family and Bluestone 42.

    But this conversation goes well beyond sitcoms.

    James opens up about the constant rejection that comes with writing, even when you’re “successful”, what working in comedy has taught him about teams, why authenticity matters more than trying to be funny, and how character often counts for more than qualifications.

    There’s also brilliant insight on leadership, AI, creativity, criticism, resilience, and why young people need to get better at looking people in the eye.

    Funny, thoughtful and surprisingly practical, this is a conversation about writing, work, identity and the grit it takes to keep showing up.

    Key takeaways

    Rejection never really stops.

    Failure is not just possible - it’s essential.

    You want to find out what doesn’t work early, not when it’s too late.

    Be interested in the thing, not yourself.

    Your limitations can become your strengths.

    Humour is high risk, but authenticity isn’t.

    Teams work best when people care about different things.

    Different motivations can be a strength, not a weakness.

    AI is a tool, not a brain.

    Character matters more than credentials.

    Keywords

    James Cary, BBC comedy writer, Miranda writer, Citizen Khan writer, My Family, Bluestone 42, sitcom writing, rejection, resilience, humour, leadership, teams, authenticity, AI and creativity, storytelling, critical thinking, character, human skills, communication, writing career, comedy writer podcast, Wit and Grit podcast

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to James Carey

    00:48 The Journey into Comedy Writing

    02:16 Pathways into Comedy and Early Experiences

    04:36 The Role of Management Consultants in Comedy

    07:10 The Intersection of Theology and Comedy

    10:03 The Stand-Up Theologian

    10:35 Writing and Team Dynamics in Comedy

    13:10 Problem Solving on Set

    15:57 Navigating Egos in the Creative Process

    19:59 The Importance of Writing in Today's World

    21:21 The Impact of Literature on Young Minds

    22:48 The Challenges of Writing and Education

    25:15 Embracing Failure in Creative Pursuits

    28:20 The Role of Humor in Leadership

    32:57 Navigating AI in Creative Processes

    35:58 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

    38:47 Character Over Qualifications in Success

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    43 mins
  • Children need Adults to be their Substitute Prefrontal Cortex, says Natalie Costa.
    Mar 23 2026

    What happens when you’re trying to perform at work while also being a present, patient and emotionally available parent at home?

    In Episode 30, we sit down with Natalie Costa to explore emotional fitness in families, schools and workplaces. Natalie shares her mission to help raise a generation of connected humans by supporting the adults around them - parents, teachers and leaders alike.

    From childhood anxiety and classroom breakthroughs to parental guilt, emotional regulation and the pressure modern families face, this is a thoughtful, practical and deeply human conversation about what children really need, what parents are carrying, and how workplaces can better support the people raising the next generation.

    It’s an episode about pressure, repair, resilience and the courage to stay steady when life feels anything but.

    Key themes
    1. Emotional fitness in children and adults
    2. Parenting under pressure
    3. Childhood anxiety and self-belief
    4. Neuroplasticity and changing old patterns
    5. Parent guilt and the “mental load”
    6. Why connection matters more than ever
    7. How leaders can better support working parents

    Key takeaways
    1. Children need adults to be their substitute prefrontal cortex
    2. There is only room for one adult in the parent-child relationship
    3. You can’t parent perfectly, but you can repair
    4. Emotional regulation is a skill, not a personality trait
    5. Neuroplasticity means we can build new emotional habits at any age
    6. Modern parenting is harder because many families are raising children without a village
    7. Connection with children often starts by taking an interest in their world
    8. Great leadership at work starts with seeing the human behind the behaviour
    9. Supporting parents at work is not a perk — it’s a culture and performance issue

    Pull quotes / soundbites
    1. “We are more connected than ever before, but more emotionally disconnected than ever before.”
    2. “We need to support the people raising the next generation.”
    3. “There’s only space for one adult in the relationship — and it’s not your child.”
    4. “You can’t get it wrong if you are repairing and taking ownership.”
    5. “Neuroplasticity is the muscle of our mind.”
    6. “What are the keys to your kid’s kingdom?”
    7. “Connect before you correct.”
    8. “We’re all big kids walking around trying to run companies.”
    9. “A lot of guilt is really just being pulled between things we value.”

    Suggested chapter titles
    1. 00:00 – Welcome to Episode 30
    2. 00:57 – Natalie’s mission: raising connected humans
    3. 02:34 – From teaching to emotional fitness
    4. 06:16 – The classroom moment that changed everything
    5. 09:16 – Teaching kids what to do with big feelings
    6. 14:17 – Why the work has to include parents
    7. 17:25 – Old stories, childhood beliefs and change
    8. 21:46 – What neuroplasticity actually means
    9. 25:35 – Is it harder than ever to be a parent?
    10. 27:52 – Simple ways to reconnect with your kids
    11. 31:31 – What workplace support for parents should look like
    12. 35:58 – Does the work start with children or adults?
    13. 40:22 – Emotional fitness and sitting with discomfort
    14. 45:14 – What to do at 2am when your mind won’t stop
    15. 48:06 – Progressive leadership for working parents
    16. 51:16 – Final takeaways

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    54 mins
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