Episodes

  • Apathy Is Killing Men's Purpose

    Apathy Is Killing Men's Purpose
    May 1 2026
    Episode SummaryWe ask one question to every man who sits across from us: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience and perspective?For Parker — inventor, pirate, author, and man who once stood at the edge of ending his life — the answer was immediate:Apathy. And the antidote isn't motivation, discipline, or a better morning routine. It's curiosity. A fire in a man's heart that refuses to stop asking, seeking, and pushing toward something worth finding.What unfolds is one of the most imaginative, honest, and unexpectedly moving conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Parker doesn't preach. He tells stories. From an Amazon jungle treasure hunt that lights up every man in the room, to a boy who couldn't read being asked by God to write a book, to a pirate ship built on the back of a truck driving across America — Parker's life is proof that when a man stops trying to captain his own ship and lets the Good Captain take over, the adventure that follows is beyond anything he could have planned.GuestParker — Inventor, dyslexic author of Pirate Parables, and creator of a nationwide treasure hunt spreading across all 50 states. Based in Nashville, Parker is on a mission to build pirate crews of people seeking spiritual wealth — one coin, one parable, and one wild adventure at a time. Follow along at Pirate Parables on YouTube.Chapters00:00 — Welcome & Parker Introduces Himself02:00 — The Amazon Treasure Hunt That Says Everything07:45 — Parker's Story: Dyslexia, Depression & the Deal He Made With God16:00 — Men Were Never Meant to Carry It All Alone26:00 — The Slash and Burn Field: When God Clears the Way37:00 — The Moonlight Parable: How to Find Someone With Light44:00 — The Spearfishing Parable: What Fasting Actually Does53:30 — God Strips Everything — Then Builds a Movement01:00:30 — Pirate Parables: The Book, the Coins & the Nationwide Treasure Hunt01:12:00 — We Takes: Don't Soften. Don't Hide. We Need Your Warrior Spirit.Key Topics CoveredApathy Is the Crisis — Parker names apathy as the root problem men face — not addiction, not fatherlessness, not performance pressure. Those are symptoms. Apathy is the disease. And its opposite isn't effort. It's curiosity.Curiosity as the Cure — Curiosity isn't just wondering. It's refusing to complain and instead asking: What do you want me to know about this, God? It leads to empathy, wisdom, and eventually the treasure that was always waiting.Parker's Story — Growing up with undiagnosed dyslexia, labeled lazy and stupid, Parker found himself suicidal at the end of college. He made a deal with God: If you're real, show up. If not, I'm done. God showed up. The adventure of a lifetime began.The Moonlight Parable — We are like the moon — made to light up the dark, but only by reflecting the sun. A person in pain is a moon with no light, surrounded by other dark moons. The answer: find someone who has light and get curious about how they got it.The Spearfishing Parable — Island people put wooden spears through fire not to destroy them, but to make the tips stronger than rock. Parker connects this to fasting and prayer — the purifying fire that sharpens a man's spirit for the mission ahead.God Strips Everything — And Builds Something Better — Parker moves to West Palm Beach with no job, no car, no girlfriend, no design career. God takes it all. Then starts filling his life with hundreds of people, worship nights, Frisbee tournaments, and baptisms in the ocean. The stripping was the point.Books & Resources Referenced📖 Pirate Parables — Parker's 100 illustrated parables wrapped in a pirate narrative and Parker's personal testimony. Find coins hidden across the country — follow clues at Pirate Parables on YouTube.Key Quotes"Apathy breeds failure in every area of life — spiritually, work-wise, relationally." — Parker"Curiosity breeds a heart of empathy. And empathy, for everything I know, is wisdom." — Parker"The coin isn't the treasure. The book isn't even the treasure. Knowing the father — that's the wealth." — Parker"The biggest lie to husbands is that they are the sole provider. That's a lie from Satan." — Parker"Don't become soft. We need your warrior spirit. Temper it. Let it be chiseled. But don't hide it." — RachaelPractical TakeawaysWhen you're stuck, stop complaining and get curious — ask God what he wants you to knowFind someone who has light and be bold enough to ask them how they got itFast and pray when you need clarity — create a distraction-free space for God to speakPrimary KeywordsChristian podcast for menmen's purpose and apathybiblical masculinity podcastChristian men finding purposemen's identity crisis faith
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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • The Broken Scale Every Man Is Being Measured On | Ft. Gio Gomez

    The Broken Scale Every Man Is Being Measured On | Ft. Gio Gomez
    Apr 24 2026

    Episode Summary

    We ask one question to every man who sits across from us: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience and perspective?

    For Gio — A man of faith and someone who has walked through the fire of identity confusion, addiction, broken homes, and performance-based living — the answer came immediately: Men don't understand their value and their identity.

    What follows is one of the most honest, emotionally rich conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Gio doesn't lecture. He testifies. From a 13-year-old boy with drugs in his pocket to a man who has learned — slowly, painfully, and by grace — what it means to walk in identity and purpose, his story is one every man needs to hear. And behind every story he tells, there's a truth the culture is actively trying to bury.

    Guest Gio — Gio has spent years serving in ministry, studying identity and value through the lens of scripture, and helping men understand that the world's scale is broken — and there's only one measure that actually matters.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 — Welcome & The One Question
    • 01:30 — Gio's Answer: Men Don't Know Their Value or Identity
    • 05:00 — Performance-Based Love — What the World Taught Men
    • 07:00 — The Strong Truck Analogy: Provider, Protector, and Redlining
    • 10:35 — You Act Like Who You Think You Are
    • 13:20 — Gio's Story: Broken Home, Christian School & the First Battle
    • 20:05 — The Worship Album That Changed Everything
    • 29:30 — Safe Places, Grace & Why Men in Ministry Fall
    • 40:30 — Financial Success Is Not the Same as Leaving a Legacy
    • 50:30 — It's Not Guys vs. Girls. It's Broken vs. Healed.

    Key Topics Covered

    • Men Don't Know Their Value or Identity — Gio's immediate answer to the one question cuts to the heart of everything: men are measuring themselves on a broken scale, and it's why they keep running hard and going nowhere.
    • Performance-Based Love — From boyhood to the battlefield, the world has told men that their worth is determined by their output. Provide. Protect. Man up. Don't cry. Gio dismantles this lie directly — and shows where it leads.
    • You Act Like Who You Think You Are — One of the most powerful moments of the episode. If you think you're worthless, you'll do worthless things. But flip the scale — show a man his value — and everything changes.
    • Gio's Personal Story — From a broken home to a Christian school, from a bag of drugs in his pocket at 13 to a Hillsong worship album playing on repeat while his parents fought, Gio's journey is raw, real, and full of God's fingerprints.
    • Safe Places and Grace — Why do men in ministry fall into affairs and addictions? Because they don't have a safe place to go when they miss the mark. Gio calls for communities built on grace, not performance.
    • Separation Before Elevation — God removes what's hurting you before he elevates you. The narrow road feels small at first — because he's clearing the path.
    • Financial Success vs. Legacy — You can be a billionaire no one has ever heard of, or a poor person who changed millions of lives. Legacy isn't about money. It's about love.
    • It's Not Guys vs. Girls — It's Broken vs. Healed — Gio reframes the entire culture war between men and women: stop pointing fingers and start asking whether you're healed or still broken.

    Scriptures Referenced

    • Ephesians 3:20 — More than you can ask or imagine
    • Matthew 7:13-14 — Enter through the narrow gate
    • John 8 — The woman caught in adultery; kindness leads to repentance
    • Romans 2:4 — His kindness leads to repentance

    Key Quotes

    "Men are trying to find their identity on a scale that is broken." — Gio

    "You act like who you think you are." — Gio

    "Separation comes before elevation." — Gio

    "The devil doesn't want you to know how powerful you are." — Gio

    "It's not guys against girls. It's broken versus healed." — Gio

    "Men are not machines." — Rachael

    Practical Takeaways

    • Talk to God like a friend — ask him to show you your value in your own words, no performance required
    • Build community where men can miss the mark and still be loved
    • Stop settling in relationships until God has shown you your own worth

    About This Series:

    Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.
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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • What's Actually Breaking Men in Our Society? Passivity | Season 3

    What's Actually Breaking Men in Our Society? Passivity | Season 3
    Apr 17 2026
    Episode Summary We're asking one question to as many men as we can: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience? Season three opens with a conversation that's been building since the very first episode. Rachael, mom of two teenage boys and host of We Take the Stairs, sits down with Jackson and guest Kenny — a man of faith, combat sports enthusiast, and someone who has made it his mission to do life with other men — to ask the question she's been circling for years: Why are men walking away? And what do we do about it? What unfolds is one of the most honest, wide-ranging conversations this show has ever had. Fatherlessness. Passivity. Identity confusion. The school system failing boys. The church failing men. Gangs as counterfeit brotherhood. And what it actually looks like to channel masculine energy toward something good. This isn't theory. These are men who've lived it. Guest Kenny — Man of faith, jiu-jitsu practitioner, and community builder based in South Florida. Kenny leads beach workouts that bring men together to do hard things, pursue Christ, and find the brotherhood that culture has failed to provide them. Key Topics Covered Why Men Keep Quitting — Kenny traces the roots of male passivity back to boyhood: participation trophies, lack of grit, absent fathers, and a generation of boys who were never told they have what it takes to finish what they started.Fatherlessness and the Question Every Boy Asks — When a father leaves, the wound isn't just practical. It's identity. Was I not enough? Was it my fault? Kenny speaks to how only one relationship can truly heal that — and it's not with an earthly father.Identity Crisis in Modern Men — From social media to Hollywood's lone wolf myth, men are being told their value comes from what they do, how much they earn, or how many women they attract. Kenny dismantles that lie: your identity comes from who God says you are, not your performance.The Bullying Conversation Nobody Wants to Have — A raw and honest discussion about what boys actually need when they're being bullied — and why a mother's instinct, however loving, can't give a son what a father's voice can. You don't want the bully to be afraid of the teacher. You want the bully to be afraid of the boy.Gangs, Military, and the Counterfeit Brotherhood — Every man craves belonging, mission, and brotherhood. Kenny explains why gangs and harmful groups fill that void when nothing better is offered — and what a genuine alternative looks like.The Church Isn't Built for Men — Kenny and Jackson name something most people won't say out loud: most American churches are set up for women. Comfortable chairs, cappuccinos, and feelings check-ins aren't going to get men through the door — or keep them there.Meekness Is Not Weakness — One of the most powerful moments of the episode. Kenny breaks down the Greek military origin of the word meek — a wild horse trained to be a war horse, power under authority — and reframes what the Sermon on the Mount is actually calling men to be.What a Men's Group Actually Looks Like — Beach workouts. Weighted vest carries. Hikes. Prayer. A word from scripture. And then — after men have done something hard together — the real conversations happen. Kenny and Jackson describe what community built for men actually requires.Boys in the Education System — Rachael brings her experience as a school parent: boys are being told to sit down, shut up, and conform. Testosterone surges, physical energy, and competitive instincts are being diagnosed and medicated instead of channeled. The system isn't built for them. Scriptures Referenced Jeremiah 1 — Called by name, set apart before birth, given identity and purposeMatthew 5:5 — "Blessed are the meek" — meekness as power under authority, not weaknessGenesis 2:18 — It is not good for man to be aloneIsaiah 60/61 — Called to set the captives freePhilippians — Paul's correction with love, received with grace Books Referenced Wild at Heart — John Eldredge Kenny's go-to on masculine identity, the heart of a boy, and what men are truly made for. The bullying scene with Eldredge and his son is referenced directly. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe — C.S. Lewis "Safe? Who said anything about safe? But he is good." The beaver's response to Susan becomes a lens for understanding God's call on men's lives. Key Quotes "Masculinity bestows masculinity. You can't get it from a woman. You can't get it from your mom." — Kenny "The enemy always offers a counterfeit to God's design. Gangs are a counterfeit of what the family of God should look like." — Kenny "A fire out of control destroys. A fire too weak leaves people cold and starving. But a fire under control provides warmth, light, and food." — Kenny "Women connect face to face. Men connect side by side — doing something together." — Jackson "Don't tell me everything. Just — let's go." — Jackson ...
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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • The 3 Things Killing Your Potential as A Man: Pride, Procrastination, and Lust | Season 3

    The 3 Things Killing Your Potential as A Man: Pride, Procrastination, and Lust | Season 3
    Apr 10 2026
    Episode Summary We're asking one question to as many men as we can: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience? In our first episode, hosts Jackson and Rachael sit down with Jeremy — South Florida filmmaker, entrepreneur, and man of faith — and his answer cuts straight to the bone: pride, procrastination, and lust. What follows is one of the most honest conversations you'll hear a man have on camera. This isn't a shame spiral. It's a roadmap. Guest Jeremy — Filmmaker and owner of a production company serving luxury resorts and hotels, documentary storyteller, and founder of the nonprofit Rock Jar, inspired by the Israelites' practice of building stone altars to remember God's faithfulness. Currently engaged and living in South Florida. (@Seasidemedia on instagram ) Key Topics Covered Lust & Pornography Addiction — Jeremy opens up about how pride fed his struggle with lust and objectifying women, and how God transformed his perspective — learning to see women as the Father's daughters rather than objects for his own gratification.The Damage Porn Does in Relationships — Rachael shares her firsthand experience being in a relationship with someone deep in pornography addiction, describing the invisible but devastating toll it takes on a woman's sense of worth, attractiveness, and visibility. "You know when they look right through you. You're wallpaper."Women's Accountability in Modesty — A candid, balanced discussion about cultural norms around clothing, the tension between freedom and conviction, and the encouragement for women to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance rather than respond to external pressure.Why Discipline Alone Fails — Drawing from Colossians 2:20–23, Jackson challenges the idea that accountability systems and self-imposed rules can defeat deep-rooted sin. Willpower has an expiration date. The real answer is surrender, not strain.Passivity & Procrastination in Men — Jeremy reframes procrastination as passivity — a failure to show up, follow through, and lead. The parable of the talents and Proverbs' image of the ant are both referenced. Men were made to move.The Power of Male Community — All three speakers agree: isolation is a tool of the enemy. Men need other men — a pack, a mentor, a group with shared purpose. Not to confess failure in discouraging cycles, but to pursue Christ together with eyes forward.Morning Prayer as a Starting Point — A practical, low-barrier encouragement: five minutes in the morning, phone down, no music. Just "Hey God, I'm here. What do you want?" That's enough to begin.Biblical Submission Reframed — Jeremy closes with a clarification on the husband-as-head-of-household passage: both spouses submit toward each other and toward Christ — mutual, inward, love-driven. Not one person lording over another. Scriptures Referenced 1 Corinthians 6 — Sexual sin as sin against your own bodyColossians 2:20–23 — Disciplines have no power against the indulgence of fleshMatthew 6:33 — "Seek first the kingdom of God…"Proverbs 18:1 — He who isolates himself seeks his own desireSong of Solomon — The bridegroom and bride as a picture of Christ and the churchThe Parable of the Talents — Risk, passivity, and multiplying what you're givenPsalm 46:10 — "Be still and know" Book Recommended Abiding in Christ — Andrew Murray A 31-day devotional on living in moment-by-moment communion with Christ. Jeremy credits it as transformational for both his walk and his freedom from addiction. Take as many days per entry as you need. That's the point. Key Quotes "What you set your eyes on — that is where you're going to go." — Jeremy "Your disciplines can get you by, but you're still wrestling with the original sin." — Jackson "I love this more than you, Lord. He's not going to be upset when you say that." — Jeremy "Men need men. No one person can be everything." — Rachael Practical Takeaways Remove yourself from situations where you've fallen before — change the environmentBe honest with God about loving the sin, not just performing repentanceFind a group pursuing Christ together, not just managing failureStart with five minutes of quiet in the morning before the phone comes outGet a mentor — someone older who has walked it About This Series Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.
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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • Shot and Paralyzed at 22 — Then He Found God | Pablo's Story | Season 3

    Shot and Paralyzed at 22 — Then He Found God | Pablo's Story | Season 3
    Apr 3 2026

    Episode Description

    What do you feel in the moment someone shoots you? For Pablo, it wasn't fear or rage — it was love and understanding. In this raw, unfiltered episode of Let's Break Bread, Rachel and Jackson sit down with Pablo, a young man whose life was shattered — and rebuilt — in ways he never could have planned.
    Paralyzed from the chest down at 22 after being shot by someone he was trying to help, Pablo shares a journey that spans rebellion, estrangement, the cannabis industry, Colombia, psychosis, and an unexpected encounter with the Holy Spirit that changed everything.
    Told through the lens of the Prodigal Son, this is a story about identity, purpose, forgiveness, grace — and why God sometimes doesn't meet you halfway. He comes all the way to you.


    Timestamps

    00:00 — Welcome & the Prodigal Son framework
    02:04 — Pablo's story: Colombia, rebellion, and coming home
    03:48 — Meeting a friend in need and the cannabis industry
    05:30 — When helping someone becomes dangerous
    07:00 — Shot nine times. Paralyzed from the chest down.
    07:55 — What Pablo felt in that moment (you won't expect this)
    09:46 — The phone call to his mom and what it meant
    12:16 — Sleep deprivation, psychosis, and understanding the shooter
    13:27 — Pablo's spiritual awakening four months ago
    15:30 — Grace: from Windows 98 to AI
    17:07 — Tony Robbins, a hospital bed, and the word "grace"
    18:48 — Jackson explains the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
    20:51 — The hospital, the fire department, and "Mom, this is big"
    23:02 — Ephesians 3:16–19: the scripture that came at 3:30am
    24:13 — Your gift of discernment: how to steward it
    26:20 — Advice for mothers of prodigal sons
    29:30 — What Pablo would say to young men today
    31:42 — Fear vs. love: which is the better motivator for obedience?
    34:11 — The small pebbles are harder than the boulders
    37:09 — Identities Pablo had to release: money, status, body
    41:21 — Jim Carrey, Solomon, and the void only God can fill
    50:34 — What would you tell someone heading away from God?
    51:42 — What's next for Pablo?
    56:10 — Jeremiah 1 & a prophetic declaration over Pablo's life
    59:05 — The Chosen, Little James, and Pablo's wheelchair as a superpower
    01:03:30 — Mat carriers: who's lowering you through the roof?
    01:05:09 — We Takes & closing words


    Key Quotes

    "The only thing I felt when he shot me was love and understanding. I knew it wasn't him." — Pablo

    "Fear of God is not hell-avoidance. It's understanding that the worst possible thing is to be separated from Him." — Jackson

    "Most of the prisons we live in exist in our own minds." — Rachel

    "Fear nothing else but God. As long as that's at the center, you'll be okay." — Pablo

    "Your hands, your work, your voice, your story — that is your worship." — Jackson

    "Through suffering, we come to terms with the truth of who we truly are." — Rachel


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    If this episode moved you, share it with someone who's walking away from God, someone rebuilding their identity, or a mom who hasn't stopped praying for her son.
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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Why Men Go Quiet and Women Get Louder | Season 2

    Why Men Go Quiet and Women Get Louder | Season 2
    Mar 27 2026

    In this episode of We Take the Stairs, the conversation gets real about something almost everyone has experienced — but few know how to fix:

    The breakdown of communication between men and women.

    Why is it that when things get hard…
    men tend to go quiet —
    and women feel like they have to get louder just to be heard?

    This episode unpacks the emotional and psychological patterns behind that disconnect, revealing how both men and women are often reacting to the same core need:

    to feel understood, respected, and safe.


    Together, the group explores:

    Why men shut down instead of opening up
    Why women escalate when they don’t feel heard
    The difference between feeling respected vs feeling loved
    How small communication habits create major relationship gaps
    Why men often try to “fix” problems instead of listening
    How women can feel unseen even when men are trying
    The role of tone, timing, and emotional awareness in conversations


    Through real stories and honest reflection, this episode highlights a powerful truth:

    Most relationship conflict isn’t about the issue — it’s about how we communicate through it.
    And if we don’t learn to understand each other’s language…
    we slowly start to lose each other.

    Episode Chapters

    00:00 – Welcome & Episode Setup
    02:00 – The Core Problem: Communication Breakdown
    05:00 – Why Men Go Quiet
    09:00 – Why Women Get Louder
    13:00 – Feeling Heard vs Feeling Respected
    17:00 – The “Fix It” vs “Feel It” Dynamic
    22:00 – How Miscommunication Builds Resentment
    27:00 – Emotional Triggers in Relationships
    32:00 – Real-Life Examples of Communication Fails
    38:00 – Tone, Timing & Delivery Matter
    43:00 – Learning Each Other’s Communication Style
    49:00 – Creating Emotional Safety
    54:00 – Final We Takes: How to Do It Better


    Key Takeaways

    Men often shut down when they feel disrespected or overwhelmed
    Women often escalate when they feel unheard or unsupported
    Most arguments aren’t about the topic — they’re about delivery and emotion
    Understanding your partner’s communication style is essential
    Healthy communication requires intentional effort from both sides


    SEO Keywords

    relationship communication problems, why men shut down, why women get emotional, communication in relationships, men vs women communication styles, emotional safety in relationships, relationship advice podcast, We Take the Stairs
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Men Feel Used. Women Feel Exhausted. No One’s Talking About It | Season 2

    Men Feel Used. Women Feel Exhausted. No One’s Talking About It | Season 2
    Mar 20 2026

    In this episode of We Take the Stairs, Rachel, Dusty, and Jackson dive into a challenging and often avoided conversation:

    Why are more men returning to the church — while many women are stepping away?

    Starting with a controversial passage from 1 Timothy 2:11–15, the conversation explores how scripture is often misunderstood, taken out of context, and used in ways that push people — especially women — away from faith.

    But this episode goes deeper than theology.

    It unpacks the real tension between modern culture and biblical design, including:

    The struggle modern women feel with words like submission
    Why men feel valued primarily for money and success
    How society has reshaped masculinity — and often labeled it “toxic”
    The difference between leadership and provision
    Why communication between men and women is breaking down
    How respect, listening, and emotional safety shape relationships

    Jackson shares powerful insight into how men think and communicate — including why men often shut down instead of speaking up, and how something as simple as feeling heard changes everything.

    The episode ultimately reframes leadership:
    It’s not about control. It’s about service.
    And asks a deeper question:
    What if the solution isn’t choosing sides — but learning how to understand each other again?


    Episode Chapters

    00:00 – Welcome & Episode Setup
    02:00 – The Scripture That Sparks the Conversation
    05:00 – Why “Submission” Feels Difficult Today
    08:00 – Feminism, Culture & Too Many Choices
    11:00 – Context Matters: Understanding the Bible Correctly
    15:00 – Identity in Christ vs Cultural Identity
    19:00 – Women Carrying Multiple Roles Today
    23:00 – Why Men Feel Valued Only for Money
    27:00 – Communication Breakdown Between Men & Women
    31:00 – Why Men Shut Down Emotionally
    35:00 – Respect vs Love: What Men Actually Need
    40:00 – Real-Life Example: Men Want to Solve Problems
    45:00 – When Communication Goes Wrong (Relatable Story)
    49:00 – Leadership vs Provision Explained
    53:00 – Servant Leadership in Marriage
    57:00 – Final We Takes: Respect, Grace & Growth


    Key Takeaways

    Men and women are not competing — they’re designed to complement
    Leadership is service, not control
    Men often shut down because they don’t feel heard or respected
    Women often feel overwhelmed because they’re carrying too much
    Communication — not assumption — is the bridge


    SEO Keywords

    men returning to church, women leaving church, Christian relationships, biblical gender roles, submission and leadership, masculinity in modern culture, relationship communication, respect in relationships, We Take the Stairs podcast
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    1 hr and 17 mins
  • Men Feel Valued for Money. Women Feel Exhausted. Now What? | Season 2

    Men Feel Valued for Money. Women Feel Exhausted. Now What? | Season 2
    Mar 6 2026

    In this episode of We Take the Stairs, Rachael, Dusty, and Jackson explore a topic that’s becoming increasingly visible in modern faith communities: men returning to church in large numbers while many women are stepping away.

    The conversation begins with a challenging scripture from 1 Timothy 2:11–15, which instructs women to learn quietly and not assume authority over men. For many modern women, this verse can feel difficult or even offensive — but when understood in historical and biblical context, it opens a deeper discussion about leadership, submission, and the roles of men and women in faith and family.

    Together, the group explores:

    • Why traditional biblical roles feel difficult in modern culture
    • The difference between leadership and financial provision
    • How media and society often frame masculinity as toxic
    • Why many men feel valued only for money or success
    • How communication breakdowns damage relationships
    • Why respect and listening are essential for both men and women
    • The importance of context when interpreting scripture


    Jackson shares insights about leadership through service and humility, while Rachael reflects on how society’s messaging toward men may be contributing to the breakdown of relationships and family structures.

    The conversation ultimately asks a powerful question:

    What happens when men and women stop competing and start understanding each other again?

    Through faith, honest dialogue, and humility, the group reflects on how both men and women can step more fully into their roles while honoring one another.

    Episode Chapters

    00:00 – Welcome & Today’s Topic: Men Returning to Church
    02:00 – The Controversial Scripture: 1 Timothy 2:11–15
    05:00 – Why “Submission” Is Difficult for Modern Women
    07:30 – Feminism, Choice & Cultural Messaging
    10:00 – Context Matters: Understanding Paul’s Letter to Timothy
    13:00 – Biblical Modesty and Respect
    16:00 – Identity in Christ vs Cultural Identity
    20:00 – Women Leading by Necessity in Modern Homes
    23:00 – Society’s Expectations for Men and Money
    27:00 – Communication Breakdowns Between Men and Women
    31:00 – Why Men Shut Down Emotionally
    35:00 – Respect, Listening & Emotional Safety
    40:00 – A Real Story About Men Wanting to Solve Problems
    45:00 – How Men Show Love Through Fixing Problems
    48:00 – Leadership vs Financial Provision
    52:00 – Dave Ramsey Example: Servant Leadership in Marriage
    55:00 – The Importance of Conversations in Relationships
    58:00 – Final We Takes: Leadership, Respect & Faith

    Key Topics Discussed

    • Men returning to church
    • Women leaving church and modern faith struggles
    • Biblical roles of men and women
    • Submission and leadership in relationships
    • Masculinity and societal expectations
    • Communication between men and women
    • Leadership through service
    • Christian marriage and partnership
    • Identity in Christ


    SEO Keywords

    men returning to church, women leaving church, biblical gender roles, Christian leadership in marriage, submission and respect in relationships, masculinity in faith, Christian relationship dynamics, church and modern culture, We Take the Stairs podcast
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    1 hr and 2 mins