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A podcast for builders by builders in North Carolina. We explore the startup journey and stories with NC founders, from the idea to the exit and everything in between. NC Tweener Talks is hosted by Scot Wingo, presented and produced by NC Tweener Fund, with creative assets and design support from Walk West.2026 NC Tweener Fund Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Personal Finance
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  • Moneyball for Main Street: The Fund That Bets on Singles, Not Home Runs

    Moneyball for Main Street: The Fund That Bets on Singles, Not Home Runs
    Jun 4 2026
    Most of us know Asheville as beer city, foodtopia, a playground for retirees and 14 million visitors a year. Jeffrey opens by updating that picture. Eighteen months out from Hurricane Helene, which hit on a Friday in late September 2024, the data is starting to come in. The long-term employment hit was about half that of COVID. Decades of population growth stopped in 2025 and even declined for the first time, but the in-migration that remains is now strongest among 25-to-34-year-olds: prime working-age professionals, not retirees. Jeffrey walks through what’s back (Biltmore Village, the River Arts District, High Wire’s new year-round pickleball courts) and what’s gone forever, and lands on a word he keeps coming back to: optimism.From there, we steer into the heart of the episode: Optimist Ventures and the funding mechanism Jeffrey invented, the SPA note. The origin story is its own lesson in adaptation. Optimist began as a half-million-dollar grant from the Dogwood Health Trust. Then Helene hit, and within the same week a founder in the program, Ginger Frank of Poppy Popcorn, called wanting to commit $100,000, but to a grant program, not a fund. Rather than walk away, Jeffrey spent days thinking until he landed on a hybrid: half the capital as grants and philanthropy, half in a for-profit vehicle for accredited investors, with every for-profit dollar matched by a donation.Boom: enter the SPA or shared profit agreement. The conversation closes on what’s next, whether this model can scale to Charlotte or Raleigh, and a heartfelt ask about how the rest of the state can help Asheville finish its recovery. HighlightsMoneyball the Portfolio: Instead of chasing one home run, Jeffrey set out to build a book of “singles and doubles”… companies that just need to survive six years. The VC / Ecosystem-Builder Dissonance: An ecosystem builder is measured on jobs and revenue creation, not outlier exits.The SPA Note, Decoded: A “Shared Profit Agreement” combines a SAFE capped at 3.6% of a $1M valuation with a shared earnings agreement. The Investor Pitch: Every LP dollar is matched by a donation. But the real sell is community impact.Applied Technology vs. Developing Technology: The program defines “tech-enabled” broadly. The Funding Runway: Approximately $225M is flowing into the region through HUD programs, with $17M dedicated to small-business grants. A Curriculum Built on Competencies, Not Basics: The accelerator is built around entrepreneurial competencies, including opportunity recognition, resilience, and network-building. The North Carolina Hallmark: “It’s not a zero-sum game. We’re all trying to grow the size of the pie.”The best founders, and the best fund builders, figure out the structure nobody else was willing to be patient enough to design. Jeffrey did exactly that. Enjoy the conversation.Timestamps01:52 Scot's intro: SPAs, Asheville, and a new funding mechanism04:31 Meet Jeffrey Kaplan04:50 Asheville, the loading-dock office, and a Russian-nesting-doll of titles06:31 Jeffrey's background: Florida, intrapreneurship, and Anthware10:13 Eighteen months after Hurricane Helene13:14 The economic data: jobs, population, and a younger in-migration14:50 Is Biltmore Village back?17:31 The River Arts District rebound18:01 Asheville's startup ecosystem and why it's so CPG-heavy21:21 The Fresh Market CEO and the "buy local" effect22:42 Asheville's tech wins: Craft Peak, Sprin, Level.io, SDV24:40 How Optimist Ventures came to be25:19 The VC vs. ecosystem-builder cognitive dissonance27:03 "Moneyball the portfolio": singles and doubles27:36 The Dogwood grant and Ginger Frank's $100K call29:41 Splitting the fund: grants plus a for-profit vehicle30:26 The SPA note explained31:42 The shared-earnings math and negative 10% interest34:00 LP economics, the ~13% IRR, and private inurement37:10 The $855K HUD grant: funded for four years38:37 Inside the accelerator and "tech-enabled," broadly defined39:37 Carolina Flowers and the $40K freezer44:00 A curriculum built on entrepreneurial competencies46:27 What's next: bigger cohorts, applications June 347:56 Can this model scale to Charlotte or Raleigh?50:49 How the rest of the state can help Asheville52:42 The connector: Asheville's collaborative ecosystemWhere to Find Jeffrey: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffdude/Front Porch Optimist Ventures: https://www.optimistventures.co/Where to Find Scot Wingo: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thescotwingo/ Tweener Times: https://www.tweenertimes.com/ X: https://x.com/scotwingo--- This episode of Triangle Tweener Talks is hosted by Scot Wingo, presented and produced by NC Tweener Fund, with creative assets and design support from Walk West. We couldn’t share posts like this without our amazing sponsors: Platinum: NC IDEA: https://ncidea.orgGold Sponsors: - Balentine: https://www.balentine.com/triangle-entrepreneurs - EisnerAmpner: https://www.eisneramper.com - Robinson Bradshaw:...
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    55 mins
  • [REDACTED]: Episode 3: A Sentient HubSpot for $2 a Brand

    [REDACTED]: Episode 3: A Sentient HubSpot for $2 a Brand
    Jun 3 2026
    In episode 3 of [REDACTED], we (David and Taylor) run a live demo of an agentic CRM-cleanup pipeline (and finds out, on air, what it costs). We also walk through a landing page workflow that compresses what used to take five people and a month of meetings into something one person can do in an afternoon.The bulk of episode 3 is a live demo, just what we wanted. Plus, the best part of Redacted is that nothing is finished. Every episode is a midstream demo of something that might break, might cost more than it should, or might be the thing that quietly changes how a whole category of work gets done. Enjoy the conversation.What We Cover$1.98 to clean a brand: Taylor’s CRM pipeline ran live on air with one restaurant with two locations, 64 turns, 95% cache hit, total cost under two dollars. The code-vs-agent slider: Taylor built an interactive slider with pros and cons on each side. Fully deterministic code can’t handle ambiguity, fully agentic can’t be tested or priced. The “no brand graph” problem: There is no canonical source of truth for the restaurant industry. Google Places, SERP, and Yelp all return ranked top-20s — you can’t reconstruct the full graph locally. This is what makes the cleanup problem agentic by necessity.n8n’s flowers, n8n’s thorns: Taylor’s running joke is that every local agent he builds eventually looks like n8n. But debugging n8n at scale meant pulling down a million-token JSON dump every morning just to grep it. Local won on debuggability, not capability.Confidence tiers for copy extraction: “Act on it” = recurring in 6+ meetings. “Pattern” = 4–5. “Emerging” = 1–3. The model can suggest copy at any tier; the operator decides what gets shipped.The headline no human wrote: “Get found by foodies who are paying to find you.” This sidesteps the #1 objection in the space (is this a free deals site?) in one line. David says no one on his team has produced anything like it in ten years of writing copy.Claude Design as a brand harness: David came in skeptical that it was just a Claude Code wrapper. He left convinced: same model, but the design harness around it makes the outputs materially better.15–20 hours, one person: Total wall-clock on the landing page from raw transcripts to live wireframes. Historically the same work needed five people (founder, sales, copy, brand, design) and weeks of calendar time.Skill folder structure: David’s pattern for non-trivial skills: a tiny top-level skill file that orchestrates, plus subfolders for context (inputs the skill ingests), data (outputs by run), and prompts (exposed so they can be QA’d independently).Timestamps: 00:00 — Intro + choosing the Redacted logo live on air 03:22 — Taylor demos a “sentient HubSpot” CRM cleanup agent 04:37 — The messy CRM problem: duplicate restaurant brands & locations 05:23 — Running the AI pipeline live 06:07 — Why they moved away from n8n workflows 07:15 — Live cost tracking for AI agents 09:31 — “Architect agents” creating before/after CRM graphs 10:29 — The agent fixes HubSpot records autonomously 12:27 — The vision: a fully AI-maintained CRM 13:07 — Why every company’s CRM eventually becomes chaos 16:16 — Why HubSpot workflows can’t fully solve this problem 17:20 — The missing “brand graph” problem in restaurants 18:23 — Live demo success: AI cleaned the CRM in real time 19:52 — Human time vs AI time: CRM cleanup economics 20:27 — Code-driven vs agent-driven systems 21:56 — The tradeoffs of n8n vs local AI infrastructure 24:05 — When n8n still makes sense 26:57 — David’s AI-powered investor update workflow 29:17 — AI-generated shareholder updates with minimal edits 29:53 — Building AI-generated B2B landing pages 31:20 — Why landing pages are one of the hardest startup projects 32:07 — Mining 876 sales calls for “voice of customer” insights 33:11 — AI transcript tagging + metadata classification 34:14 — Extracting high-confidence marketing copy from sales calls 36:24 — Using Claude + Opus to synthesize a landing page 38:07 — First impressions of Claude Design 39:07 — “Get found by foodies who are paying to find you” 40:22 — Why the AI-generated copy shocked them 41:06 — How AI compresses cross-functional startup work 42:14 — Why positioning + copywriting still matter in AI 42:49 — The need for show notes + publishing workflows 43:31 — Closing thoughtsNew episodes drop twice a month/every other Wednesday. If you want to be on the show as a guest and show your [REDACTED] builds, email us: contact@tweenerfund.comShow notes from the episode: https://github.com/instanttaylor/redacted-podcastWhere to Find David:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidshaner/Where to Find Taylor:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylorcotner/More about Offline: https://www.linkedin.com/company/offline-media-inc-/--- This episode of Redacted is hosted by David...
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    44 mins
  • Akash Ganapathi and Austin Kelleher, co-founders of Opine: Pivot the Plan, Not the Mission

    Akash Ganapathi and Austin Kelleher, co-founders of Opine: Pivot the Plan, Not the Mission
    May 21 2026
    This is a slightly different Tweener Talks. Akash and Austin are reflective founders. They think in frameworks, they read widely, and they’ve clearly spent a lot of time pulling patterns out of past wins and failures. So, we leaned in and made the episode less “tell me what you do” and more “tell me how you think.”Highlights CoveredFounder math: 5–7 months of zero salary, Costco bulk ramen, and a long-running Soylent habit dating back to Akash’s 2013 startup.Product-market fit is not binary: Akash and Austin use First Round Capital’s “Levels” framework and honestly place Opine between “developing” and “strong”, extreme PMF is when you can’t keep up with inbound demos.The inverse rule for co-founder debates: “Attack the person, not the idea” delivered as a straight-faced joke between three people who trust each other completely, with the real work happening in scrutinizing every argument from first principles.Two Amazon frameworks worth stealing: one-way door vs. two-way door decisions (Charlie’s favorite for cutting Akash off when he’s spending too long on something reversible), and disagree-and-commit (which they’ve barely had to use).Dev stack philosophy: Claude Max 20x for everyone (some engineers have more than one), agent-first development, Cursor BugBot finding bugs so reliably that engineers often skip local testing until BugBot signs off, and a north star of every engineer with one agent running 24/7.The go-to-market stack: Clay for top-of-funnel research agents, HeyReach for LinkedIn sequencing, AirOps for SEO content.Culture by osmosis, not documentation: No values poster on the wall. Instead, Austin’s personal framework, “you can increase your luck”, and the pay-it-forward principle as load-bearing parts of how the company actually operates.The best thing about being a founder is that no matter how many times you’ve done it, you learn something new every time, and Akash and Austin sent us home with a whole new reading list. Enjoy the conversation.Timestamps: 00:00 Cold open — Akash on pivoting the plan, not the mission00:40 Welcome & sponsor reads02:00 Scot's intro: why this episode leans into founder lessons04:15 Meet Akash Ganapathi and Austin Kelleher of Opine05:02 Akash's background — Trill AI, dropping out of UNC, JupiterOne08:53 Austin's background — Penn State, Interactive Intelligence, eBay, JupiterOne10:50 How Scot got to know Austin (and shout-out to Melinda)14:17 Founding Opine — bars, beers, and laptops after work15:46 Quitting JupiterOne with no salary — Soylent, ramen, and a supportive spouse18:01 The first check: Scot's year-old promise to Austin19:21 The product-market fit journey and First Round's "Levels" framework22:50 Pivoting the plan without pivoting the mission26:16 How three founders debate without breaking the company30:48 Amazon frameworks: one-way doors, two-way doors, and disagree-and-commit34:36 What Opine actually does — the elevator pitch36:43 State of the business: 15 people, doubling revenue39:42 The go-to-market stack — Clay, HeyReach, AirOps44:57 The dev stack — Claude Max, agents running 8+ hours, Cursor BugBot50:30 Knowledge sharing, custom skills, and an NC-based engineering team53:17 On company culture: lived, not documented57:39 Austin's philosophy — you can increase your luck01:00:46 Wrap and creditsWhere to Find Everything:Akash Ganapathi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akash-ganapathi/Austin Kelleher: https://www.linkedin.com/in/austinkelleher/Opine: https://tryopine.com/Where to Find Scot Wingo: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thescotwingo/ Tweener Times: https://www.tweenertimes.com/ X: https://x.com/scotwingo--- This episode of Triangle Tweener Talks is hosted by Scot Wingo, presented and produced by NC Tweener Fund, with creative assets and design support from Walk West. We couldn’t share posts like this without our amazing sponsors: Platinum: NC IDEA: https://ncidea.orgGold Sponsors: - Balentine: https://www.balentine.com/triangle-entrepreneurs - EisnerAmpner: https://www.eisneramper.com - Robinson Bradshaw: https://www.robinsonbradshaw.com Silver Sponsors: - Automated Consulting Group: https://automated.co - Bank of America: https://business.bofa.com/en-us/content/technology-industry-group.html ------Triangle Tweener Talks is sponsored by:Atomic Object: https://atomicobject.com/
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    1 hr and 2 mins
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