Tim Tollefson returns to Trail Runner Nation for a wide-ranging conversation about what makes trail running special and what happens as the sport continues to grow. Using a "Wheel of Trail Running" format, the discussion lands on two big topics: cultivating the next generation of trail stewards and the ongoing professionalization of trail running. Tim shares how his work with Runners for Public Lands and Mammoth Trail Fest has changed the way he views trails, volunteerism, and the responsibility runners have to give back to the places they love. The conversation explores everything from carrying a small saw on training runs to the challenges and opportunities created by big sponsors, larger race organizations, and growing prize purses. Throughout the episode, Tim makes a compelling case that trail running's future depends on balancing growth with the community values that built the sport. It's an honest look at how runners can help preserve trail culture while welcoming more people into it.

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Timestamps
00:00 | Welcome Back, Tim Tollefson. Tim shares updates from Mammoth Lakes and explains why the Eastern Sierra continues to inspire his running and community work.
05:45 | California Carpet and Gravel Running. A conversation about trail surfaces, the rise of gravel running, and how the sport continues to evolve.
11:45 | Why Trail Stewardship Matters. Tim discusses his work with Runners for Public Lands and why every runner should consider giving back to the trails they use.
22:00 | How Runners Can Get Involved. Practical ways to participate in trail work, volunteer projects, and local stewardship efforts.
30:00 | The Professionalization of Trail Running. The group explores sponsorships, prize money, corporate investment, and how the sport has changed over the past decade.
43:00 | Building Mammoth Trail Fest. Tim shares the vision behind Mammoth Trail Fest and how community, storytelling, and stewardship shape the event.
53:00 | What Trail Running Could Look Like in 2036. A look ahead at the future of the sport and the values Tim hopes will remain at its core.

Creatine has long been boxed into the weight-room world, but this episode opens the door to a much bigger conversation for trail runners and endurance athletes. Creatine is something surprisingly simple, "right within the reach of a glass," that may help athletes become stronger, faster, healthier, and more resilient. We discuss with Dr. Dan Pardi, Chief Health Officer at Qualia Life Sciences, whether this familiar supplement can support not just performance, but long-term health and better daily function. For runners who usually think about carbs, hydration, shoes, and mileage first, creatine offers a different kind of performance question: what if strength, recovery, and durability start with something small and easy? It's a practical topic for athletes who want to keep moving well, aging well, and showing up stronger on the trail.

Links

• Qualia Life Instagram
• Try Creatine out with a 15% discount HERE

Episode Sponsors:

Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928.
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TimeStamps

00:02 – Welcome to Trail Runner Nation Scott opens the episode by inviting listeners into the conversation and setting the tone around becoming faster, healthier, and stronger athletes.

00:21 – Why Creatine Matters for Runners Don introduces creatine as the central topic and frames it as a surprisingly accessible tool that could support performance and health.

00:36 – Setting the Energy for the Conversation The hosts land the opening with a light, upbeat exchange before the main discussion begins.

Writer and ultrarunner Gaël Dutigny joins us to talk about his Ultra Running Magazine article, "Fear Isn't a Weakness," and why fear may be one of the most misunderstood tools in endurance sports. Gaël shares how, even after finishing UTMB four times and racing in deserts, jungles, mountains, and even Iraq during wartime, fear still shows up before and during big efforts. The conversation reframes fear not as something to suppress, but as information that can sharpen decision-making, expose your true "why," and help you respect the environment you're moving through. We also talk about the thin line between fear that freezes you and fear that helps you function, especially in long mountain races where fatigue, darkness, cutoffs, hallucinations, and self-doubt all start stirring the pot. One of the most useful takeaways for trail runners is that mental preparation deserves the same attention as physical training, because knowing yourself may be just as important as knowing your pace, gear, or nutrition plan.

Links:

• Gaël Dutigny's Substack
• UltraRunning Magazine
• "Race to the Summit" Dean Potter's documentary on Netflix

Episode Sponsors:

Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928.
If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses!

True Nutrition: Customized quality protein: Use Code TRNSummer and get 25% off between May 22-25 for their Memorial Day Sale!

Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page

Timestamps

00:00 | Is Fear Holding You Back or Helping You? Scott opens the conversation by asking whether fear on the trail is something to overcome or something that may actually guide us.

02:40 | Why Gaël Wrote About Fear Gaël explains how decades of running in mountains, deserts, jungles, and difficult environments shaped his view that fear is a deep part of the sport.

05:15 | Why Experience Doesn't Eliminate Fear Even after multiple UTMB finishes and other major races, Gaël shares why fear still shows up and why that may be healthy.

11:30 | Training Fear Before Race Day The discussion turns to how runners can practice facing fear in training, whether that means darkness, distance, terrain, isolation, or uncertainty.

21:20 | Fear as a Decision-Making Tool: How fear can sharpen awareness and help runners make better choices instead of simply pushing blindly forward.

27:15 | Mental Health as Performance Training Gaël makes the case that talking to a sports psychologist or therapist is not weakness, but another form of training for hard things.

44:20 | Fear, DNFs, and Knowing Your Why The group talks about how fear of failure, social pressure, and shallow motivation can unravel a race when things get hard.