https://page2pod.com - In this episode Marcos Ciarrocchi, co-founder of Graphite, breaks down why Graphite believes that 95% of SEO work is often waste and why the real leverage comes from identifying the small percentage of initiatives that actually drive growth. The conversation dives deep into how SEO strategy is shifting from keyword-first thinking to topic-first systems built around search intent, topical authority, AI prompts, and answer engine visibility.The discussion also explores how AEO and SEO may not be separate disciplines, but two versions of the same strategic question: what does the user want, and are you the best answer?🤖 In This Episode• Why Graphite believes 95% of SEO work does not drive meaningful impact• How Marcos defines a “topic” as a cluster of intent, not just keywords• Why topic graphs are living systems that change as search behavior evolves• How AI prompts, question clusters, and query fan-outs connect to traditional SEO and content marketing • The role of topical authority in deciding what content a site can realistically rank for• Why smaller sites may need to target more specific topic variants before expanding• How internal linking helps redistribute authority across large websites• Why content structure, FAQs, headings, and direct answers matter for AI citations• How RAG, citations, off-site reputation, and digital PR influence AEO visibility• Why consistency across owned and earned channels is critical for AI searchThis episode is packed with practical SEO strategy insight for marketers, SEOs, and growth teams trying to understand how search strategy should evolve in the age of AI answer engines.Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of SEO, AEO, and digital visibility.What do you think matters more for AI search visibility right now: owned content, citations, or off-site reputation? Drop your thoughts in the comments.🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned• Marcos Ciarrocchi on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcosciarrocchi/• Graphite - https://graphite.io• Graphite’s 2026 Topical Authority Study - https://graphite.io/five-percent/topical-authority-white-paper• Graphite’s AEO Guide - https://graphite.io/five-percent/aeo-is-the-new-seo• Graphite’s Entity Position Tracking Guide - https://graphite.io/five-percent/how-to-track-entity-position-in-aiFollow the Page 2 Podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Youtube → https://www.youtube.com/@thepage2podcast922✅ Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/company/page2podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/ThePage2Podcast/Follow Jon Clark✅ Jon Clark on Bluesky → https://bsky.app/profile/jonclark.co✅ Jon Clark on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppcmarketing/### Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media → https://www.movingtrafficmedia.comAbout Moving Traffic MediaMoving Traffic Media is a digital marketing agency that specializes in SEO, answer engine optimization, generative engine optimization, and performance media. In plain English: Moving Traffic Media helps brands show up in traditional search and in AI Answers. And they back that up with everything around it, from paid media and social to web development built for how AI agents actually browse. Moving Traffic Media was co-founded by Jon Clark and Joe DeVita and is headquartered in New York, with a second office in Miami. So if your brand isn't showing up in AI answers the way it should, contact Moving Traffic Media at: https://www.movingtrafficmedia.com.

⁠https://page2pod.com⁠ - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast.

In this episode of Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Duane Forrester, founder and CEO of UnboundAnswers.com and a longtime search industry leader who helped launch Bing Webmaster Tools and Schema.org.

Duane shares his perspective on the future of search optimization, the rise of AI-driven visibility, and why the best SEOs may need to think less like button-pushers and more like managers of intelligent systems.

From structured data and LLM verification layers to chunking, semantic overlap, semantic density, query fan out, and the debate over GEO vs. AIO vs. SEO, this conversation digs into what actually matters for brands trying to remain discoverable in an AI-first search environment.

🤖 In This Episode

• Why Duane believes AI has fractured search, not killed it
• How structured data and Schema.org may influence LLM understanding
• Why “GEO vs. AIO vs. SEO” may be a distraction from the real work
• What semantic overlap and semantic density mean for content strategy
• How chunking can help content become more useful to AI systems and humans
• Why content creators may be better positioned for AI search than they think
• How people management skills apply to working with AI tools like ChatGPT
• Why search optimization may still have decades of relevance ahead
• What Google AI Overviews could mean for organic traffic, paid ads, and click quality
• Duane’s prediction for AI-generated ads inside future search experiences

This episode is a must-watch for SEOs, content strategists, marketers, founders, and agencies trying to understand how AI search is changing visibility, trust, and optimization.

Subscribe to Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of SEO, AI, search, and digital marketing.

What do you think: should we still call this SEO, or is AI search creating a completely new discipline? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

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https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode with Kevin Indig originally aired in 2025, but many of the topics are even more relevant today. We'll be back soon with brand-new episodes. Enjoy the conversation.

Are Google AI Overviews killing organic search traffic?

Learn how SEO strategy must shift when visibility no longer guarantees clicks.In this discussion with SEO advisor Kevin Indig, we break down the changing search landscape.

If you are an SEO professional or site owner, this conversation clarifies why visibility is losing its direct correlation with traffic. We examine how the rise of AI-generated search results alters user behavior and why traditional ranking metrics are becoming less reliable indicators of success.

🤖 In This Episode

• Why Google AI Overviews are reshaping ecommerce search results
• How product grids, image carousels, forums, and Reddit visibility are changing in the SERP
• What brands should do now to prepare for Black Friday and Cyber Monday SEO
• Why ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and Copilot rely on different citation sources
• How YouTube, LinkedIn, Reddit, and Wikipedia influence AI search visibility
• Why simple content structure, FAQs, summaries, and key takeaways matter for both users and AI systems
• When Core Web Vitals and page speed matter most for SEO performance
• What Kevin’s AI Overview usability study revealed about clicks, trust, and user behavior
• Why rankings still matter even as organic clicks decline
• How SEO teams should rethink KPIs, share of voice, brand recall, and influence-driven measurement
• Why mentions, sentiment, and digital PR may matter more than traditional link volume
• Kevin’s prediction for Google Search, AI Mode, and the future of AI-first search experiences

This episode is packed with practical insights for SEOs, content marketers, ecommerce teams, and digital leaders trying to navigate the next era of organic search.

What do you think will matter more in the future of SEO: rankings, citations, mentions, or brand trust? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

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