Episodes

  • Matters of Interest: The King’s Christianity & Tony Blair’s Socialism
    Apr 9 2026

    Lee kicks off this mid-week episode by sharing how annoyed he was by criticisms of the King’s Christian faith, or apparent lack of it, from some people on the right. In particular, he focuses on how a small number of self-described ‘conservatives’ have turned on the King and the monarchy - and asks what they are really trying to achieve with their attacks. Next, Richard engages with the challenge that Tony Blair, who Richard described as a ‘Christian socialist’ in our last Sunday episode, isn’t a socialist at all. Could Blair be said to fit into the longstanding ethical socialist tradition?


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    44 mins
  • Which post-war PMs were most influenced by Christianity?
    Apr 5 2026

    In a special Easter Sunday episode, Lee and Richard discuss two of the most religiously observant, and theologically curious, post-war prime ministers: Harold Macmillan and Tony Blair. Macmillan's teenage years were riddled with crises of faith which left him on the brink of converting to Catholicism. Yet he remained a devout Anglican whose interest in matters of God and the church persisted throughout his life. Blair's university years were similarly influenced by Christianity and Richard argues he became one of the most, if not the most, religious Prime Ministers of the past century. If that's the case, how did his faith influence his politics? And what lay behind his decision, after being Prime Minister, to convert to Catholicism?


    In this episode, the following books are mentioned:

    'The Warden' by Anthony Trollope. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780199665440

    'The Rural Voter: The Politics of Place and the Disuniting of America' by Daniel Shea & Nicholas Jacobs. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780231218573


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Matters of Interest: Prime Ministers' Sense of History and Government by WhatsApp
    Apr 2 2026

    In this mid-week episode, Richard discusses how Keir Starmer appears to be unmoored from the history of the office he holds. How concerned should we be about that? And which of his predecessors could he take inspiration from to be a more historically literate leader? Next, Lee wonders what the Morgan McSweeney phone story tells us about how internal government communications operate - do their ways of working serve the government, public or future historians well?


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


    Enjoy ad-free listening, bonus episodes and show your support for the podcast by joining the Since Attlee & Churchill Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/SinceAttleeAndChurchill


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    38 mins
  • Was this the most talented Labour leadership election ever?
    Mar 29 2026

    In the second part of their miniseries on the transition of power from Harold Wilson to Jim Callaghan, Richard and Lee discuss the remarkably talented field of candidates who sought the lease of Number 10 Downing Street in 1976. The incumbent Foreign Secretary, Jim Callaghan, Home Secretary, Roy Jenkins, and Chancellor, Denis Healey, were joined by Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Anthony Crosland. So, how did the contest unfold?


    In this episode, the following books are mentioned:

    'The Dream Shall Never Die: 100

    Days that Changed Scotland Forever' by Alex Salmond. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780008139773

    'God In Number 10: The Personal Faith of the Prime Ministers from Balfour to Blair' by Mark Vickers. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780281087280


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • Matters of Interest: What next for the Lib Dems? & Unpacking Policy Diffusion
    Mar 26 2026

    In this mid-week episode, Lee wonders where the Lib Dems will go from here. Can Ed Davey find a compelling and coherent policy agenda? And will his MPs be happy to be led by a man whose prominence, so far at least, rests on gimmickry? Next, Richard discusses the ‘California effect’ and the ‘Delaware effect’, exploring how policies set in one state can influence those in another. They conclude the podcast by considering what lessons we can learn from this in the UK.


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    42 mins
  • Why did Harold Wilson resign when he did?
    Mar 22 2026

    In the first episode of a new two-part miniseries, Richard and Lee discuss the 1976 transition of power from Harold Wilson to Jim Callaghan.


    First, they consider the why, when and how of Wilson's resignation. The news that he would be resigning as Prime Minister shocked Westminster and the wider world - so what explains Wilson's decision to leave when he did? And as one of the few post-war PMs not to be bundled out the door by the judgement of his party or the electorate, could Wilson's departure be considered a triumph?


    In the next episode, Lee and Richard will turn to the race to replace Wilson - arguably the most impressive leadership election ever.


    In this episode, the following books are mentioned:


    'How Not to Be a Political Wife' by Sarah Vine. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780008746575

    'Gordon Brown: Power with Purpose' by James Macintyre. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9781526673411


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • Matters of Interest: ‘Local’ MPs & Approaches to Inequality
    Mar 19 2026

    In this mid-week episode of Since Attlee & Churchill, Lee and Richard weigh in on the debate, triggered by comments from William Hague, that we risk creating a pipeline of MPs who are more focused on being a local representative than a national leader. Is that fair? And are the two actually mutually exclusive? Next, they discuss whether inequality is the natural way of societies operating and what it would mean to reduce inequality - with Richard arguing that doing so, in order for people to flourish with their different personal strengths, is key.


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    42 mins
  • How did Attlee & Churchill get on with each other?
    Mar 15 2026

    Lee and Richard discuss the namesakes of the podcast - Winston Churchill and Clement Attlee. They consider their differences and similarities; how they worked together during the Second World War; and also how they opposed each other for the ten years they spent on opposite sides of the Commons after Victory in Europe day. The episode concludes by wondering what lessons modern politicians can learn from these two titans of post-war British politics.


    In this episode, the following books are mentioned:


    ‘Attlee's Great Contemporaries: The Politics of Character’ edited by Frank Field. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9780826432247

    'Swimming in the Dark' by Tomasz Jedrowski. Available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9781526604989


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    Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - literally since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party.


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    59 mins