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Legacy

Legacy

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Afua Hirsch and Peter Frankopan tell the wild stories of some of the most extraordinary men and women ever to have lived – and ask whether they have the rep they deserve. Should Nina Simone’s role in the civil rights movement be more celebrated than it is? When you find out what Picasso got up to in his studio, can you still admire his art? Was Napoleon a hero or a tyrant - or both? (And, while we’re at it, was he even short?) Legacy is the show that looks at big lives from the perspective of now – and doesn’t always like what it sees.

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  • 1776 | The Founding Mothers | 1
    Jun 9 2026

    The Declaration of Independence said all men are created equal. But what did that mean to the women who heard those words and knew they were being lied to? Who were the women the founding fathers never mentioned — and what did they do about it? And, if America was founded on the idea of freedom, why did it take another century — and a civil war — to even begin to make good on that promise? Afua and Peter turn the founding of America upside down, telling the story of 1776 through the women the Declaration forgot: a teenage poet who became the first Black woman in history to publish a book of poetry in English, and an enslaved woman who walked into a lawyer's office and used the Constitution to abolish slavery in Massachusetts.


    (0:00) The Declaration of Independence is about to turn 250 — but whose freedom was it really for?

    (1:43) Legacy Plus — bonus episodes, early access, and fewer ads 2:00 Why enslaved Americans didn't wait to be freed — they were already fighting

    (5:36) Lord Dunmore's proclamation and the moment thousands of Black men chose their side

    (7:48) Phillis Wheatley: kidnapped at seven, named after the slave ship that took her

    (9:59) From chalk letters on a wall to mastering Greek — the making of a prodigy

    (12:09) The court case where she had to prove she wrote her own poems

    (14:23) Sent to London as pro-slavery propaganda — and why it spectacularly backfired

    (16:12) Published in London, ignored in Boston: the first Black woman to publish poetry in English

    (17:23) The poem she sent to George Washington — and why he actually wrote back

    (18:47) They met in Cambridge in 1776: the Virginia enslaver and the young woman he couldn't ignore

    (20:04) How post-revolutionary America still wouldn't publish her — and how she built a subscription model 250 years before Substack

    (21:50) She reached Washington, Jefferson, Thomas Paine — and died at 30 in a boarding house

    (23:34) Elizabeth Freeman: the woman who heard the Declaration read aloud and walked straight to a lawyer

    (25:11) "Where's my freedom?" — the most direct question anyone asked of the founding fathers

    (27:05) The iron-shaped scar she refused to hide — and how she weaponised it

    (27:41) Bett v Ashley: the case that abolished slavery in Massachusetts

    (31:36 She wins not just her freedom but freedom for every enslaved person in the state — then changes her name to Elizabeth Freeman


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    Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    34 mins
  • Declaration of Independence | The Brand | 2
    Jun 4 2026

    Who wrote "all men are created equal" — and then went home to more than 180 enslaved people? What does a document actually mean when it excludes women, Indigenous peoples, and one in five of the very population it claims to liberate? And, was the Declaration of Independence a genuine statement of universal human rights — or the most successful rebranding exercise in political history?

    Peter and Afua tear apart the Declaration of Independence: who wrote it, what it actually meant, what was left out on purpose, and why its contradictions still define America 250 years on.


    (0:00) "All men are created equal" — by men who didn't believe it

    (9:00) Britain vs the colonies: mistrust, miscalculation, and the slide into war

    (14:00) Lexington, Concord, and the shot heard around the world

    (19:00) Lord Dunmore's offer: freedom to the enslaved — and the colonists' outrage

    (24:00) Thomas Paine's Common Sense and the power of simple ideas

    (30:00) John Hancock signs big and invents a new word for "signature"

    (35:00) After independence: debt, fragility, and the problems victory didn't solve

    (42:00) How the revolution accidentally redirected the British Empire


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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:

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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    36 mins
  • Declaration of Independence | Follow The Money | 1
    Jun 2 2026

    What if the Boston Tea Party had less to do with liberty and more to do with a smuggler protecting his profit margins? What if hurricanes tearing through the Caribbean helped light the fuse of revolution? And, what if the men who gave birth to America were not visionary idealists but wealthy merchants who had simply run out of patience with British trade restrictions?

    Peter and Afua pull back the curtain on the financial machinery behind American independence — the Caribbean slave economy, the smuggling networks, the Bengal famine, and the merchants who dressed their self-interest in the language of liberty.


    (0:00) It wasn't about democracy. It was about who controlled the money

    (2:00) Britain's debt doubles after the Seven Years' War — and someone has to pay for it

    (7:50) The colonists were richer, taller, and paid less tax than anyone in Britain

    (11:50) Tea, empire, and why the whole system was built on piracy

    (13:30) The Boston Tea Party: orderly political theatre and a £10,000 act of destruction

    (17:35) The Boston Massacre and the propaganda machine that turned it into a rallying cry

    (20:30) The Caribbean cash machine — and how hurricanes made colonial merchants very rich

    (27:20) John Hancock: celebrated patriot, and according to British customs officials, the head of a massive smuggling operation

    (30:00) The first Continental Congress: protecting constitutional rights — and profit margins

    (34:00) The Bengal famine, 10 million dead, and why it became a weapon against British imperialism

    (38:00) Neither side wanted war — and that's exactly how they stumbled into one


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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas:

    Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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    40 mins
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