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The Innovators Studio with Phil McKinney

The Innovators Studio with Phil McKinney

By: Phil McKinney
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Forty years of billion-dollar innovation decisions. The real stories, the hard calls, and the patterns that repeat across every organization that's ever tried to build something new. Phil McKinney shares what those decisions actually look like. Phil was HP's CTO when Fast Company named it one of the most innovative companies in the world three years running. He co-founded a company and took it public. Now he runs CableLabs, the R&D engine behind the global broadband industry. This isn't theory. It's what happened. And what you can see coming if you know what to look for. Running since 2005, originally as The Killer Innovations Show, now The Innovators Studio. Tens of millions of downloads. Full archive at killerinnovations.com. New episodes at philmckinney.com.Copyright 2005-2026 Techtrend Group LLC. See philmckinney.com Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
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  • How to Tell a Good Decision From a Lucky One

    How to Tell a Good Decision From a Lucky One
    Jul 8 2026
    You trust your gut because it's been right before. But "right" is exactly the thing you've been measuring wrong. A hitter never has this problem. His batting average is honest. It counts hits, nothing else, across a whole season, and he can't argue with the number. Your gut is supposed to work the same way: every decision an at-bat, every result feedback, a career sharpening your instincts the way a season hands a hitter a real number. But you keep your own scorebook. You mark every win as good judgment the second it lands. The trouble is that a skilled call and a lucky one produce the same win. In your book they look identical. Train your gut on that for thirty years and it grows certain about things that were never true. I know, because I trained mine that way. The Award and the Bankruptcy At twenty-eight, I won, and the win felt like proof. I was at a company called ThumbScan, and I took a piece of government security technology and repackaged it for the business PC market. We called it PCBoot. PC World named it Security Product of the Year at COMDEX in Las Vegas, in front of the whole industry. I drew the obvious conclusion. My gut was good. I could see what the market wanted before the market did. Except I didn't see it coming. In early 1988, computer viruses became front-page news. The New York Times ran it on the front of the business section, the story spread to nearly every paper in the country, and overnight every company in America decided it needed security. My product was already built and sitting on the shelf when the panic arrived. I had built a solution that needed a problem, and the people writing and spreading those viruses are the ones who handed it one. It was nothing I did. I hit the timing right, and the timing was luck. It took an honest audit, years later, to admit that, and the same look turned up the opposite story. The other ThumbScan product was the one I was proudest of. It put fingerprint security on a personal computer, the first one under a thousand dollars you could attach to a PC. Your thumb instead of your password. The reasoning was sound and the technology worked. The market wanted none of it. PCs were barely in homes yet, biometrics sounded like science fiction, and the company bled cash and folded. That product wasn't worse thinking than the one that won the award. It was the same thinking, aimed at an idea that turned out to be twenty-five years early. Today it sits on every phone, and hundreds of millions of people use it before breakfast. I wasn't wrong about the concept. I was wrong about the clock, and the clock runs mostly on luck. The award and the bankruptcy came out of one gut, separated only by the year each idea landed in. What I did, years later, has a name. I ran the version of events that didn't happen, stripped the result off each decision, and looked at the call cold. That's counterfactual thinking, and it's the whole skill. It's uncomfortable, because the result already handed you a verdict and now you're reopening it. It's also the only feedback that makes you better. Why Your Results Lie to You None of this is your fault. It's a measurement problem. Your gut got trained on bad data, and it had no way of knowing. The more decisions you've stacked up, the more confident it's become, and confidence built on a bad stat is worse than no confidence at all. A junior person knows they're guessing. Twenty years in, the guessing feels like knowing. Your own record is full of the same thing. Wins you credited to your own judgment when they really came down to timing, or to a competitor's mistake you had nothing to do with. Good calls you stopped making because one of them lost, even though losing was always on the table and the call was still right. None of that is carelessness. You recorded every result accurately. You just recorded the wrong thing, and then you trained on it. The world isn't helping. Every outcome now arrives with its explanation already attached, ten confident takes by lunchtime, most written backward from the result. I covered that warning in "Hindsight Is Not 20/20." So go back and run the audit on yourself. Rebuild what you knew on the day you decided, set the result aside, and ask whether the call still holds up without it. The hard part is doing this to wins, because taking apart a success while you're still proud of it feels like bad manners and bad luck at once. That's the reason your wins are where your worst lessons hide. Read Your Competitors' Moves You just watched me run this backward, over my own record. It points two other directions too. The first is sideways, at everyone else. The same move works just as well on decisions that aren't yours. When a rival's bet pays off, the instinct is to copy it. When it craters, the instinct is to swear it off. Both stop at the result. So rebuild their decision the way you rebuilt your own. Say a competitor ships a feature and it takes off, and three teams in your space scramble to copy...
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    13 mins
  • How to Improve Weak Signal Judgment

    How to Improve Weak Signal Judgment
    Jun 24 2026
    Everyone collects weak signals now. Most of what they collect predicts nothing. A weak signal isn't a thing you spot, it's a prediction you make, and the edge goes to whoever bets on it while being wrong is still cheap. So how do you become the one placing the bet, not the one still collecting reports? Let's get into it. What a Weak Signal Actually Is A weak signal is a faint piece of evidence that points to something a customer will want before they can name it, and before the market has priced it in. Faint, because if it were loud, everyone would already be acting on it. Deniable, because you can always explain it away as noise, and most people do. That deniability is the whole point. The moment it becomes undeniable, the advantage is gone and the price has moved. Why Noticing Stopped Being the Edge Ten years ago, noticing was hard. You needed sources, a network, time to read widely, a feel for the edges of your industry. That was the moat. It isn't anymore. Every team has a trend report and three newsletters and an AI tool surfacing emerging behaviors on a schedule. The noticing got automated. What didn't get automated is the judgment about which signal predicts a structural change and which points to nothing real, and the nerve to act early. Inside Roche's Innovation Board I sat on Roche's diagnostics innovation board, the only outsider in the room, helping decide which ideas got funded. At one point we took on diabetes care. I am not diabetic. So I had Roche ship me every meter and test strip they made, and I pricked my finger up to a dozen times a day to feel what their customers felt. You cannot innovate for a customer whose day you have never lived. Skip that, and everything after is a guess. Roche was a leader in blood glucose testing with its Accu-Chek meters, and the math looked obvious. Someone with type 1 diabetes tests around eight times a day, every day, for life. A big, stable business. Type 2 was the smaller story per patient. Those patients tested once, maybe twice a day, so each one looked worth less, and we filed the category under "less interesting." We could already see type 2 climbing. We weighed it against the per-patient math and explained it away. Then type 2 diagnoses exploded into one of the fastest-growing chronic conditions in the world. And the category stopped being about counting tests per day at all, because monitoring went continuous, the always-on sensors people wear today. We had seen the early edge of both shifts. We even predicted them. We just didn't move fast enough, and the reason is the one that kills most weak signals inside a big company. Project approval and annual budgets are built to fund what's already proven, not to chase something still faint. Roche got there. Accu-Chek SmartGuide, its real-time continuous monitor, is on the market now. I just wish we had moved the moment we saw it, instead of waiting for the next budget cycle to make it safe. How to Read a Weak Signal We didn't miss the type 2 signal for lack of noticing. We noticed. We missed it on the three things that come after, and those you can train. The moves start once you've got a signal you can't quite dismiss, and the skill is what you do with it. Tell the Canary From the Costume A canary in a coal mine matters because the air changed. It signals something structural, a shift in the environment that affects everyone in it, whether they've noticed yet or not. A costume is the opposite. A few people put it on, it's striking, it spreads for a season, then they take it off and the room is exactly as it was. On day one the two look identical. A behavior appears, it's unusual, it's spreading. The only question that matters is whether it predicts a change a customer can't reverse, or a moment that will pass. Back in 2018 I wrote about telling a trend from a fad, and the test still holds: ask what need the behavior reveals. Type 2 was a canary, and we read it as a costume, because we counted testing frequency instead of the need underneath it. That need, millions of people learning to manage a lifestyle disease, only grew. The discipline is refusing to let the size of the spike tell you which one you're looking at. Costumes spike too, sometimes higher. You're reading for the need, not the noise. Read the Window A signal's window is short. Too early, you can't tell it from noise and you waste resources chasing ghosts. Too late, it's obvious, everyone sees it, and the advantage is already priced in. The value lives in the narrow gap between. Waiting for more evidence feels like better judgment, but the evidence that finally convinces you has already reached your competitors. Certainty and advantage move in opposite directions, so by the time you're sure, sure is just another word for too late. The question isn't whether the signal is real yet. It's how much longer you can be the only one taking it seriously. Act While Being Wrong Is Cheap This is the move that separates the people who read signals ...
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    13 mins
  • How to Improve Your Second-Order Thinking Skills

    How to Improve Your Second-Order Thinking Skills
    Jun 10 2026
    In 2000, Toys R Us paid Amazon $50 million a year to sell their toys online. It looked like a great deal. The company that defined toy retail for two generations was solving the internet problem in one move. Four years later they were suing each other. Seventeen years later Toys R Us was gone. Every store closed. Every job lost. And every step of what happened was visible from the day the deal was signed. Nobody at Toys R Us saw it. What Is Second-Order Thinking? First-order thinking asks what happens next. Second-order thinking asks what happens to the people who see what happened next. The skill isn't caution. It's the willingness to keep looking after the room has stopped. Inside HP, 2006 In 2005, HP launched Halo, a premium telepresence system co-developed with DreamWorks. For a brief period it reported into my organization. The next year, Cisco launched TelePresence and went straight at us. I called the HP team closest to Cisco and asked what they made of it. The answer was reassuring: Cisco is aiming down-market, we're fine. We were premium; they were chasing volume. That answer satisfied the room. It did not satisfy me. The room was asking "will Cisco hurt Halo?" That was the wrong question. The right one was sitting underneath: why did our partner of twenty years decide to do this without us? Nobody had an answer to that one. The HP team didn't think it was the question. They were focused on the product collision, and I kept coming back to the partnership. A company that had cooperated with us for two decades had just decided they didn't need to anymore. The product was the surface. The relationship had quietly ended, and we were the only ones who hadn't noticed. Three years later, Cisco launched a direct attack on HP's core server business with Unified Computing System. HP responded by acquiring 3Com and going after Cisco's core networking business. A twenty-year alliance ended in under two years. Neither side ran the second-order analysis at any point along the way. By the time the right question got asked, the partnership was already gone. The Three Skills These three skills stand on their own. Each one solves a different problem most decision frameworks miss. The first picks up signals before there's even a decision to analyze. The second uncovers what's actually driving the other party's timing. The third shows you what people will do once they see your decision land. If you've watched the November 2025 episode on the basics of second-order thinking, these skills add to that foundation. If you haven't, you can still apply all three starting today. Sense the Weak Signal, Not the Loud Event Most failures don't announce themselves. The loud event, the launch, the lawsuit, the lost customer, is usually the visible end of something that started much earlier as a quiet shift somebody noticed and explained away. A weak signal is a small piece of information that doesn't fit the story you're already telling. A customer's casual comment that contradicts your data. A team member's evasive answer in a status meeting. A supplier missing a deadline they've never missed before. The reflex is to make it fit the story you already believe. The skill is to refuse. Go looking before you have one. Once a week, scan three places where weak signals live. Customer-facing teams. Data points that surprised you and got brushed off. Topics that smart people you respect are paying attention to, but you aren't. You're not looking for problems. You're looking for things that don't quite fit. Name the thing that doesn't fit. Be specific. "Their CFO made a comment about the budget that didn't match what we were told last quarter." Not "something feels off." The more specific the signal, the more useful it becomes. List the stories that would make the signal make sense. At least three. Force yourself to consider explanations that don't fit your current assumptions. Ask which of those stories you'd act on if it were true. If one of them would change a decision you're about to make, that's the signal you can't afford to ignore. Find one more data point before you decide. A single signal can mislead. Two signals pointing the same direction is usually real. The Cisco TelePresence launch was a weak signal about the partnership. The team read the product. I read the relationship. Neither of us pushed it far enough. Ask "Why Now" Before "What's Next" Most people jump straight to the future: what will the other party do next? That's the wrong starting question. Ask why now first. Why is this happening now, when it could have happened a year ago? The timing tells you what changed in their world, and that change tells you what they're likely to do next, often more reliably than asking the question directly. State the move that just happened. A competitor launched a product. A regulator opened an inquiry. A customer asked for a discount. Name it plainly. Ask what changed. What was true a year ago that isn't true now? What...
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