In this conversation, Terry Virgo reflects on nearly 70 years of following Jesus, exploring the tension between receiving grace as a gift and continuing to pursue a deep, daily relationship with God. His conclusion is both simple and challenging: grace doesn’t remove hunger—it awakens it.At the centre of it all is a striking principle: the daily responsibility of keeping one’s soul “happy in God.” Not as sentimentality, but as a deliberate practice—choosing gratitude, reflection, and openness to grace, even when life feels heavy. For Terry, that grace is found in Christ: not just as a belief, but as a living personal source of renewal, joy, and strength over a lifetime.He speaks candidly about discouragement—moments where leaders fell, communities fractured, and hope seemed fragile—and what it takes to keep going when faith is tested. Rather than offering quick fixes, he points to a deeper resilience formed through prayer, perseverance, and a continued hunger for God, even in the hardest seasons.The conversation also touches on the role of spiritual experience in shaping confidence and purpose. Terry describes how openness to the Holy Spirit transformed his life, unlocking a boldness and vitality that carried into every area of ministry and mission.It was a genuine pleasure to sit down with Terry for this conversation—his honesty, depth, and lived conviction made it both inspiring and quietly challenging.Honest and thought-provoking, this episode invites you to consider what truly sustains you—and whether the very things you think should satisfy might actually be stirring a deeper hunger for something more.#DancingWithWisdom#GraceAndHunger#PrayerAndPerseverance#InnerFulfillment#PurposeAndMeaning

In this episode of the podcast I continue my conversation with Terry Virgo about one of the most liberating themes in being a disciple of Christ: grace.Many people — even people of faith — live with the quiet feeling that they must somehow prove themselves to God. We try to do the right things, avoid the wrong things, and hope that our efforts will make us acceptable. But the message of the gospel is very different.In this conversation, Terry explains a powerful idea from the Bible using a simple picture: it is like moving from one relationship to another. Instead of living under a system of rules that constantly reminds us how we fall short, we are invited into a living relationship with Christ — one that brings forgiveness, new life, and the power to grow and change from the inside out.We explore questions many people wrestle with:If grace means we are freely forgiven, why do our choices still matter?If we are not saved by good works, why does the Bible still talk about doing good?How do we know what God is actually calling us to do with our lives?Why does real spiritual growth almost always happen in community rather than in isolation?Along the way, Terry shares practical stories about discovering our unique calling, finding our place in a community of faith, and learning to serve God not from guilt or pressure, but from joy and gratitude.If you have ever felt caught between trying harder and feeling like you’re not doing enough, this conversation offers a refreshing perspective. Grace does not lead to passivity — it leads to a new kind of life, where love, purpose, and good works grow naturally from a relationship with Christ.My hope is that this episode helps you glimpse something of what the Bible calls the lavish grace of God — and discover the freedom and joy that flow from it.#TerryVirgo#ChristianLeadership#GraceInRealLife#LivingInTheLightOfEternity#DancingWithWisdom

In this third conversation with Terry Virgo, we go deeper into God’s lavish grace — and we ask the question that always comes next: If grace is truly free, what stops us from drifting into passivity… or just carrying on as we were?Using Romans 6 from the New Testament, Terry unpacks a simple but life-changing “package” for real freedom:Know what God says is true: in Christ, you died with Him.Consider / reckon it to be true — not based on feelings, but on God’s ultimate verdict.Take responsibility: don’t offer your body to sin as an instrument — make wise choices, don’t “provide” for temptation, and practise discipline without sliding back into legalism.Along the way, Terry shares memorable illustrations — the watercolour painting that must be allowed to dry, and the shift of living in a new “location”: you are now in Christ, with a new reality as solid as a new time zone.We also explore the difference between justification and sanctification, why getting the order wrong can be crushing, and why true grace doesn’t oppose effort — it opposes earning.Terry closes by praying for a fresh dawning of peace, freedom from condemnation, and the joy of living from rest — while still making good choices as those invited to serve God.If you’re a recovering legalist (like many of us), this episode is both grounding and liberating.#TerryVirgo#ChristianLeadership#GraceInRealLife#LivingInTheLightOfEternity#DancingWithWisdom