In this episode of the Creator Spotlight Series, Daniel Lee turns the camera around on Mario Hines — co-founder and CEO of Appraise the Phrase LLC, and the guy who normally makes this show go from behind the scenes. They get into how they each identify as creators (Mario calls himself an "inertia breaker"; Daniel keeps landing on a Proverbs verse about drawing out the deep water in people), how they actually do their research, and why storytelling has to be the thing holding it all together.

From there they get into the gap between how they see their work and how people receive it, why neither of them wants to be so serious that they scare off the audience, and how they both lean on external feedback to get out of their own heads. Mario talks about why he makes a habit of telling people what he sees in them, and they trace how their friendship (almost four years in now) kept turning into creative collaboration just because they kept saying yes and meaning it.

The back half gets into Mario's vision for where ATP is headed, how he approaches season planning for a show that has to last, and which creative form each of them is leaning into right now. Daniel tells Mario that interviewing is where he's growing fastest, but writing is still pull-ups for him — his favorite, and the hardest. They close on something Mario said that's worth sitting with: you're never late. You may miss windows, but you're never late.

Mario Hines

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Creator Spotlight Series

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Appraise the Phrase

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