How did LeSS grow out of Scrum, and why does it now stand on its own? In this episode, Bas and Bastiaan trace the roots of LeSS back to early Scrum and show how it evolved into a clearer, more effective approach for product development with multiple teams. You’ll hear how LeSS handles planning, refinement, reviews, retrospectives, roles, and artifacts, and why that differs from simply copying Scrum team by team.

You’ll learn where LeSS and Scrum diverged, why LeSS introduced its own Scrum Guide version, and how the LeSS approach reduces coordination noise while increasing real collaboration, clarity, and product focus. A sharp listen for anyone working with Scrum, scaling, or complex product development.

Join us on an inspiring journey through the origins of LeSS (Large-Scale Scrum), told by its co-creators. From the early days of extreme programming experiments and automated testing innovations to groundbreaking transformations at Nokia Networks, this video dives into the lessons, challenges, and insights that shaped one of the most influential organizational design systems in the world.

Discover how principles, experiments, and a relentless focus on learning paved the way for a system that empowers teams to take ownership and drive meaningful change. Whether you’re passionate about Agile, curious about scaling, or eager to explore the dynamics of organizational improvement, this story offers rich inspiration and practical wisdom.

👉 Learn how a shared vision and years of collaboration led to the creation of LeSS – and how it continues to evolve today.