Episode 12, boom! This week, Rich & Ben explore the intricate relationship between discipline & motivation in sobriety, & how small daily actions can lead to lasting change. Routine, self-respect, and celebrating progress are all in the mix, plus embracing positive feedback in your sobriety & some tips to help routine & structure.

Ex-Spurs & Liverpool footballer, Steven Caulker is “in the frame”, 7 years sober after battling an alcohol & gambling addiction throughout his top-flight football career & Ben chooses 0% lager, Days, as drink of the week. Crisp & Fresh, just like Rich’s shirt.

Also, Ben reveals a battle with a Rosemary plant, he’s no Percy Thrower & Rich discovers the joys of his new mood lighting. Just don’t mention BBC News.

Rich & Ben, The Sober Men: The Podcast. Ready? Let’s do it!

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